Pics with my new canon 10D

[3mrhythm]

here are some shots from my first day with it .. .any suggestions as to setting would be greatly appreciated i had never used an slr b4 yesterday

[3mrhythm]

another pic

[3mrhythm]

another

[heavydc2]

Excelent! They all look real nice, I really like the first one. The sunset does not seem to have enough color, but thats nothing you can control...

[Keith Sheridan]

Framing, framing and framing.

Good shots. I would suggest being very aware of not cropping too tight or too loose. The pigeon pick is done well with even exposure and a nice narrow depth of field, but I don't like the tail being cut off.

The flower is the same, I think giving as bit more space between the petal and the bottom edge of the frame would be nice. Also it seems a bit too centered, as far as the composition goes.

The sunset, is gourgeous but I believe it would be better had you panned left a bit, or zoomed out, to get the curve of the shore. I don't like how you can imagine a nice curve to the shore, but it is just off the edge of the frame, so you can't see it. Also it works as a framing element, keeping the veiwers eyes within the photo, where as no they are drawn away from the photo.

Just any FYI, I am trying to be critical to help, the pictures are well done though.

[3mrhythm]

thanks for being critical .. i need to fine tune my "eye" when it comes to this stuff...

thanks heres another pic i call "spilling my guts"

[3mrhythm]

heres the sunset with auto levels on ps

[clamm]

I have the same camera and just got back from a vacation at the beach, Ill show you some examples. One thing to remember is what ever you see in the viewfinder isn't what you get in the picture. your picture will be zoomed 1.6 times compared to whats in the view finder. You will get better results by backing the zoom off about 30mm from what you see in the viewfinder and you will have a better representation of what you see in the viewfinder.

[Keith Sheridan]

I have the same camera and just got back from a vacation at the beach, Ill show you some examples. One thing to remember is what ever you see in the viewfinder isn't what you get in the picture. your picture will be zoomed 1.6 times compared to whats in the view finder. You will get better results by backing the zoom off about 30mm from what you see in the viewfinder and you will have a better representation of what you see in the viewfinder.


Is this true? Canon did not fix the veiw finder to show what you actually shoot?
That is really bad.
I assume the 20D thatis on its way has this same issue. Bugger!

[clamm]

that is the characterstic of canon's slr's with the exception of the canon 1ds... i think that spec is called the cmos multiplier ...the 10d, digital rebal, and 20d all have 1.6...which means on a normal slr that 35mm is really 56mm. It not a bad thing depending on what you are shooting!, you just need to be aware of it so you can compensate.

[nunofs]

I use a Nikon D70, but the technology is pretty much the same in that area (Nikon's multiplier is 1.5, Canon's is 1.6)... the sensor size / multiplier should not affect what's displayed either in the viewfinder or the LCD, and although I haven't used a Canon, I know for a fact that's the case with Nikon... that's the whole reason for being called an SLR, what you see is what you get.

The apparent focal length of lenses will get extended, because the sensor is only using the center portion of the image, but since the mirror/prism is also that much smaller (to reflect the size of the sensor), you should only be seeing the center portion as well -- thus the 1.5/1.6 multiplier.

Nuno

[clamm]

I agree with all your statements but I don't understand how what you get in the viewfinder is exactly what is captured. The only way for that to be is if they magnify the viewfinder by the multiplier. I don't think they do, I could be wrong. Because the mutiplier is a factor attributed to the cmos sensor when looking through the viewfinder you will not see what you get in the picture because you are looking directly at the mirror rather then what the sensor sees. Please let me know if im wrong, but thats the way I learned and understood it. also, both camera's are reviewed at www.photo.net

[nunofs]

The way it works on the Nikon is that the mirror/prism is smaller than on a film SLR, so it only reflects the central part of the image, to match what will be captured by the sensor... in fact, a lot of people that switched to digital SLRs from film SLRs complain that the viewfinders are smaller and dimmer, which is caused by the smaller size of the mirror. Also, since the prism is a component that increases both the size and the cost of a camera a lot (that's why only professional film SLRs have 100% viewfinder coverage, most other SLR are around 90-95% coverage), I don't see why they would go for a larger prism/mirror than necessary... I'm not saying that it can't be like that on the Canon, as I mentioned before I haven't used one personally, but I do find it very strange if that is the case.

Nuno

[Keith Sheridan]

Yeah I understand the whole multiplier effect, but I assumed that the veiw finder would display the proper image.

So those of you who own the 10d, does it? Just do a quick test.

As for the multiplier being a good thing, no way. It does not zoom the image, it just crops it. It is not all that bad, but it does nothing benificial.

[nunofs]

Keith, I have mixed feelings about the multiplier effect... on the one hand, it does have advantages, because by using only the center part of the image, it leaves out the corners which are tipically the softest/worst parts of the image (this is true only for "old" 35mm lenses, not for the newer "digital" lenses that have a smaller image circle that's used fully); on the other hand, with the multiplier it's difficult to get a real wide angle, which I really miss for my landscape photography.

Nuno

[clamm]

I use a 15-35mm lens for wide angle. It works pretty good for landscape....other option is take picture of larger landscapes? :) Its a good camera for sure. I will be learning with it for a long time to come.