Watch it NOW

[Aquadiva]

Webcast of the HR 669 hearing...

http://resources.edgeboss.net/wmedia-live/resources/36401/300_resources-nr1324_080313.asx

[Blueflu1]

says not available.

[jbishop]

Watching :)

[Aquadiva]

Try here, and follow the link if the above doesn't work

http://scienceblogs.com/grrlscientist/2009/04/hr_669_hearing_live_broadcast.php

[JasonandRay]

is this live?

[Qwank]

OMG they're talking about snakeheads!! come on!! theres a difference in banning certain animals and ALL animals:mad:

[jbishop]

And King cobras haha

[Qwank]

this is rediculous. there are certainly some animals that should not be here, but seriously, what problems do clownfish, parrots, hampsters etc. cause? geesh

was it here that i saw the picture of the lion fish in florida that people released into the water?

[JasonandRay]

if saltwater fish pass imm gonna freak

[Scott]

this is rediculous. there are certainly some animals that should not be here, but seriously, what problems do clownfish, parrots, hampsters etc. cause? geesh

I think that this is the point that many of these witnesses are making.

I don't hear any testimony so far saying that all imports should be banned.

[JasonandRay]

saltwater fish are low risk we cant put them in lake they would die

[Qwank]

ok, now it seems that they arent talking about ALL animals now. they have a high risk and low risk list i guess. it might not be too bad

[Aquadiva]

Good Lord... is there a "reef industry" in Isreal??? It would be interesting to see how it works. I'm thinking, no, though.

[Aquadiva]

saltwater fish are low risk we cant put them in lake they would die

You've got to understand, though, that it is a National Bill. They could survive in FLA and Hawaii.

[Qwank]

saltwater fish are low risk we cant put them in lake they would die

yes, but a lot of them can live ofthe coast of Florida and California if put in the ocean

[JasonandRay]

maybe some thing like a lionfish

[Qwank]

maybe some thing like a lionfish

i have a feeling lionfish and puffers will be put on the "high risk" list.

[Qwank]

looks like the lady liked the fish guy

[JasonandRay]

yah..

[JayM]

yikes...tilapia would be banned too.....


blacklist approach...like I suggested to McGovern's office

[Qwank]

arent a lot of these animals already "blacklisted" and illegal already?

[Jeff.:P]

these guys are total noobs

[Aquadiva]

So..... Isreal pays some bio grad student $150 to decide if the species is invasive?? An entire 10-12 hours :confused:

I'm thinking everything could be invasive in some state in the US.

[Qwank]

I'm thinking everything could be invasive in some state in the US.

thats what the chair woman just asked. the guy who answered said it was unlikely and its would be more or about 10% of all current imported species would be blacklisted

[jbishop]

I could be invasive in some states in the US..... am I going to be blacklisted?

[Jeff.:P]

haha

[JasonandRay]

lol...

[Qwank]

Lionfish!!!

[JasonandRay]

did i hear.... LION FISH!!!

[JasonandRay]

heyyy no fair your a faster tiper

[Qwank]

she said they were a problem in her area. i think she said the virgin islands? did anyone else hear that?

[JasonandRay]

yup i did y?

[JasonandRay]

its near mixico

[Anthony1238]

The girl in the in yellow shirt looks kind cute.

[JayM]

I find it sickening that these blowhard tools are our national leaders.

[JasonandRay]

lol..

[Aquadiva]

The girl in the in yellow shirt looks kind cute.

LOL... pay attention !!!

[JasonandRay]

i love how the guy next to the guy talking about that tree looks at him

[Aquadiva]

Pity the kids who have that bio guy as a professor at Notre Dame.

I can't follow a THING he is saying.

[JasonandRay]

his hair is weird it makes me want to sucker punch him

[Anthony1238]

These people have seriously never seen a day outside those walls. I can't believe these are the people that decide laws in the country.

[Qwank]

his hair is weird it makes me want to sucker punch him

thats not nice

[JayM]

They've 'wrecked havoc' Ms. Sea-Porter is reading, robot-like from prepared remarks

[JasonandRay]

=[ i dont know why. what with this cutzoo???

[Aquadiva]

I'm noticing my congresswoman didn't bother to show. No wonder I got such a lukewarm response on the phone from her staffers. They probably knew she wasn't going to be there. :mad:

[Aquadiva]

They've 'wrecked havoc' Ms. Sea-Porter is reading, robot-like from prepared remarks


That's not Shea-Porter. That's the congresswoman from CA. Carol Shea-Porter is my congresswoman.:mad:

[jbishop]

his hair is weird it makes me want to sucker punch him

Your 14......enough said

I find it sickening that these blowhard tools are our national leaders.

This isn't the soapbox Jay ;)

This is not looking good for us IMO

[Aquadiva]

=[ i dont know why. what with this cutzoo???

It's a terribly invasion plant that grows all over the south. It grows on vines and is everywhere if you don't yank it out. Apparently, the grandfather of the Notre Dame professor was the one who brought it to the US.

[Qwank]

This is not looking good for us IMO

really, i think it looks fine. we just might loose a few livestock choices. i'm not sure how coral plays into this though. noone has really said anything about it.

[JasonandRay]

lol he looks like my doctor

[Anthony1238]

Invasive where though. I can keep a loin fish here and if i put it in the harbor it will die. but if i do that in Florida it will survive. I think it needs to be done by region.

[jbishop]

really, i think it looks fine. we just might loose a few livestock choices. i'm not sure how coral plays into this though. noone has really said anything about it.

I don't know about you but personally I hate being limited.

[Qwank]

oh i see, we'll need to buy permits. they have to suck money out of us anyways they can.

[Qwank]

this guy talking now looks like hes going to have a good point

[JasonandRay]

i want a monkey!!!

[Qwank]

i want a monkey!!!

no you dont. they bite and fling their poo

[JasonandRay]

the guy seems knows what hes talking about. the cutzoo guy

[JayM]

This isn't the soapbox Jay ;)

This is not looking good for us IMO

Reef related politics :p Notice I didn't pick sides...they're ALL acting like blowhards.

The 800 pound gorilla in the room none of these clowns seem to want to address is that there will be more government co$t$ for permit$ to make import$ of the$e $pecie$ po$$ible if thi$ pa$$es...making an imported fish or coral go WAY up.\

The idea of having to get a permit or microchip to move a clown to my brother's in RI is just STUPID, IMO :mad:

[Aquadiva]

The Pet industry guy seems to know the most out of the bunch !!! LOL

I want a tiger... ;) Don't mess with me... :D

[JasonandRay]

no you dont. they bite and fling their poo

lol never mind he might try to jump in my tank. :(

[JasonandRay]

wow like reef tanks didnt cost enough

[JasonandRay]

what do you guys think?

[Aquadiva]

I feel so enlightened, now.... :rolleyes:

[marco67]

Well it looks like I still have a job for now then. :)

[Qwank]

what happened? is it over? i went outside and missed the end i gues

[eric-c]

At this point we'll just need to see what happens.

[JasonandRay]

ahh that was long

[Qwank]

seems to me like the bill is going to get restructured and they will debate it again i guess. that could take a few months.

[JasonandRay]

what do we have to wait 10 days?

[JasonandRay]

ohh a few months

[Aquadiva]

what do you guys think?

I think, as usual, this is going to be cluster. Can you imagine how long it is going to take to populate a list of allowable species?? At $150 a pop ( if you follow the Isreal method), that's a lot of coin. Add the wait, and the "permit" fees to move an animal across state lines to prove ownership?? What a nightmare. :( Our government in action. I'm so proud. :mad:

[Jeff.:P]

Start stocking up

[jbishop]

Looks like I'm starting to run coral now....... Getting ready to take orders!

[JasonandRay]

ill have a number 5 with a side of number 8.

[jbishop]

That will be $386.47 got to cover gas ;)

[Alex]

I want frag kick backs or I'm ratting everyone out. ::

[JasonandRay]

bish you fergot about the micro chip special for $2k

[jbishop]

bish you fergot about the micro chip special for $2k

My stuff doesn't have all that. This is the real deal.

[JasonandRay]

how much for your frag pack the nuber 7 one?

[Qwank]

well i thought i read somewhere that they've been debating this issue for years now and nothing ever comes out of it. seems to be the case again.

[JasonandRay]

i hope it is

[stingythingy45]

So........what happened?

Continued without a finding.......$50 for victim/witness fee:confused:?

[Blueflu1]

So........what happened?

Continued without a finding.......$50 for victim/witness fee:confused:?


How do you know about court dispositions and VW Fees? :confused:


This post is 5 pages of nothing. lol

[stingythingy45]

How do you know about court dispositions and VW Fees? :confused:


This post is 5 pages of nothing. lol

Just a guess........:D
Yup,a whole lot of nothing.:rolleyes:

[Qwank]

i'd rather it be nothing then something bad

[jbishop]

How do you know about court dispositions and VW Fees? :confused:


This post is 5 pages of nothing. lol

Hes one of you..... too many of you guys around for comfort.

[Aquadiva]

This post is 5 pages of nothing. lol

The point was to watch the hearing. Hope you managed to connect. :)

The rest was just our comments during the hearing. If you didn't watch it, I guess it doesn't make much sense. :p

[stingythingy45]

I can't watch that stuff at work.lol

[Aquadan88]

SO, I didn't have a chance to check it out as I was on the road. What actually happened during the hearing?

[stingythingy45]

SO, I didn't have a chance to check it out as I was on the road. What actually happened during the hearing?

All I've heard,or could make out from this thread is that it got shelved.
I guess it will come back up at a later date.

[JayM]

They agreed that the HR, as submitted, was too vague.

They also will consider making a blacklist, rather than banning everything, and havinbg exceptions made.

This will get tabled....for the longer it's tabled, the better.

[stingythingy45]

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-669

Thanks Jay.
I thought this might help.

[Qwank]

They agreed that the HR, as submitted, was too vague.

They also will consider making a blacklist, rather than banning everything, and havinbg exceptions made.

This will get tabled....for the longer it's tabled, the better.

dont forget they brought up the idea of having to obtain permits to keep the animals that they do allow

[Blueflu1]

I notice that James McGovern from MA is a co-sponsor of this bill. Don't support him.

[coralcor]

so nothing is happening as of now....... but another hearing at a later date?

[Aquadiva]

so nothing is happening as of now....... but another hearing at a later date?

Officially, yes. I'm sure there will be some behind the scenes maneuvering, before the next hearing.