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I think the color rendition is what the OP care about more.
 
I think the color rendition is what the OP care about more.
He said his chalices and Acans were loosing their color? They didn't look to be turning brown or anything, More bleached? I honestly believe that light was just way to overpowering for that shallow of a tank? Givin the depth of the tank I'd say running it at 30% blues and 15-20% whites would of been more then sufficient with the optics.
Dong I'm sure you'd know a lot more then me about switching from halide to leds and having shallow tanks. Dong do you run full spectrum leds over any of your shallow tanks?
I just don't see how the leds could be the blame? Just to many people having great success with all different kinds of leds, Includingmyself.
 
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I switched from 384w pc to 2 165 cobb leds from aquamana on my 90 reef and proceeded to bleach out a few low light corals. They have been on over a month and I only use 10% white and 50% blue (7" over tank, maybe 6") and am getting some excellent growth from dongs and franks180reefs frags (and others Aqua addicts and unique aquaria). I just had to learn at what level each frag should be placed and if they need lots of flow (birdnests, acros, brains), all mushrooms had to go low, didn't like the intense light, some zoo's had to go low, mostly stuff that had a bright green under purple lights had to go low. All my bridsnests and acans are doing awesome under these lights, plates look good, hard to tell growth though, chalices are growing great. These are my observations.
 
He said his chalices and Acans were loosing their color? They didn't look to be turning brown or anything, More bleached? I honestly believe that light was just way to overpowering for that shallow of a tank? Givin the depth of the tank I'd say starting it out at 30% blues and 15-20% whites would of been more then sufficient.
Dong I'm sure you'd know a lot more then me about switching from halide to leds and having shallow tanks. Dong do you run full spectrum leds over any of your shallow tanks?
I just don't see how the leds could be the blame? Just to many people having great success with all different kinds of leds, Including myself... One month isn't a very long trial period either, I mean people acclimate corals to new lighting for that long.

I agree that such a powerful light over a shallow tank can over lite LPS such as acan.
I have two AI hydra over the same size frag tank but they are hung over 1.5 feet over the water surface. I don't have acan in this tank, all acan are in halide lit tanks.
 
When you look at photo of those commercial frag farms, you can see their lights are hung very high over shallow tanks.
On my $5 frag tank, which is only 12 inch deep, halides are hung 2 feet above the water surface.
 
Please stop with the LED success some have success but LED systems stiull have no standards hence the reason some succeed and some fail. I see ZERO issue with someone going back to a system with a time tested standard. Not to mention the Tens of thousands of successful tank underneath them. There are far more successful tank that are 5-10 years old than 2-3 year old LED systems. But every time someone Jumps ship the LED fan boys come in. LEt it go and be honest about the systems

I am not against LED in anyway other than the people who want to push something on someone who doesn't want it. It is not like going to metal halide is a mistake let it go he made his choice
 
Please stop with the LED success some have success but LED systems stiull have no standards hence the reason some succeed and some fail. I see ZERO issue with someone going back to a system with a time tested standard. Not to mention the Tens of thousands of successful tank underneath them. There are far more successful tank that are 5-10 years old than 2-3 year old LED systems. But every time someone Jumps ship the LED fan boys come in. LEt it go and be honest about the systems

I am not against LED in anyway other than the people who want to push something on someone who doesn't want it. It is not like going to metal halide is a mistake let it go he made his choice
I'll let the fan boy comment go and say maybe you should look over your comments above? You have nothing against leds but you get your panties all in a bunch over suggestions? He told me he's keeping the fixture because he may try it again so I was simply stating where I thought he could of changed a few things? That makes me a fan boy? I think not!......
What's the difference if my tanks been run for 2-3 years on led and yours is 5-10 on halides? So my Sps dominant tank is just struggling to survive the insufficient torture from my leds? Lmfao!
My tanks doing great and I could really care less what he chooses to use for lighting, Or you for that matter. I know my tanks doing great.
I was only trying to help and make suggestions! Witch I thought that's what forums are for? I guess not....
Keep telling your self you have no problem with leds!;)
 
Oooh my thread sparked a fight!! Lol
I had my led fixture for a year got it for Christmas and switched just after Christmas the next year. I've been in this hobby a little while and would never ramp my new untested leds to 60% in just a few months. I upped them a few % each week sometimes because of my schedule I did it less frequently than weekly. Like I said, I loved the fixture and the color but just wasn't getting the results I had been with my halides.
I actually borrowed a par meter and mapped my entire tank out and placed corals accordingly too
 
Oooh my thread sparked a fight!! Lol
I had my led fixture for a year got it for Christmas and switched just after Christmas the next year. I've been in this hobby a little while and would never ramp my new untested leds to 60% in just a few months. I upped them a few % each week sometimes because of my schedule I did it less frequently than weekly. Like I said, I loved the fixture and the color but just wasn't getting the results I had been with my halides.
I actually borrowed a par meter and mapped my entire tank out and placed corals accordingly too
Yeah I apologize I saw something saying you got it for Christmas and I stupidly
assumed (<Here's were I went wrong!) it was this Christmas! Lol my bad
I'll go back to my Led fan boy hole and sit on the end of my couch watching the ticking time bomb full of Sps I have! :D
 
Yeah, I'm still not sold on the LED bandwagon just yet. It's seems like AI and Ecotech are consistently coming out with new models or upgrades.

How many upgrades or new models were there with ATI, Tek, and Aquatinics?

I run T5s on my display tank in the living room and frag tank in the basement. Although I do switch to MHs in the winter for the frag tank just to keep the temp up. Otherwise my 1k watts worth of heaters would be on constantly :o
 
Lets not have any fights over anything . just pass along your info , findings and such and hope that it is helpful to someone else .
 
And I didn't started it! :D

But you were thinking it.... Lol


I'm onto t-5's now and still trying to keep myself from putting the halides back up too. First hand experience has shown best results for me in both color and growth under halides, in the past few years that I've been Reefing. Led's are good, they aren't great. Still more R&D to go before anyone perfects it.
 
T5 for me.The maxspect razor grew corals better then the Radion.Led was not doing it for me as far as colors wise.Only thing that i can't get from t5 is the shimmer
 
Well would say 10k halides with VHO 03 actinics are about as good as it gets, but VHO runs the electrical up pretty bad.

I remember back in 1994 having a 150w 5000k single end MH and two VHO actinics on my 65 gallon. The corals grew like weeds. When the 6500k and 10,000k MH bulbs came out reefers thought they hit Nirvana!
 
I didn't mean to get out of line. I'm a little bit of a hot head. I know people get bent on the Led Vs Halide debate but I wasn't trying to spark that in anyway.
 
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