limited edition

[ldf99]

Can someone tell me how a coral can be limited edition.. The hole "limited" is to keep it of the market . If you can frag it. It will grow and if it grows its no longer limited . I know of a few coral that people call (LIMITED EDITION) .
IT'S NOT LIMITED IF EVERYONE HAS ONE ..

just my take on the hole thing .

 

[Behrmon]

Well isn't the term "Limited" just that? Maybe not fragged very often? I guess you can't really control where it goes once you sell a frag but I guess you to ask the buyer to participate in keeping it limited.

 

[Joel A]

limited editions frags tend to be better looking and slower growing... they also tend to have distinguishing characteristics... sure they get fragged up and sold all over the place, but the frags tend to be smaller, and more expensive because they are "limited"

 

[Aquaman_68]

Can someone tell me how a coral can be limited edition.. The hole "limited" is to keep it of the market . If you can frag it. It will grow and if it grows its no longer limited . I know of a few coral that people call (LIMITED EDITION) .
IT'S NOT LIMITED IF EVERYONE HAS ONE ..

just my take on the hole thing .

[Your take on the "hole" thing]



guess that pretty much sums it up for me...


LE's are distributed in "limited numbers" from a vendor out west. Most have long waiting lists because they are very nice strains of various species... (which never make it out east from the wholesalers that are outwest...(I would think by now you know the drill about this but if you don't that is the fact)


& BTW.... it's spelled with a W...

 

[JackTheReefer]

I call all my corals "LE" and want big $ for them, this way I don't have people bothering me for frags or to trade.

 

[marco67]

It's a marketing term and nothing more.
At one time possibly Limited but for the most part now just part of the corals "name".

 

[merk1_99]

I have a special limited edition of flourescent indo pacific digitata....$100 1'' frags....hehehe

I learned my coral marketing skills from Tyree....

How about the whole acan craze where 1-2 mouths was $75-$100 bucks. When a few years before that you could get a huge frag for $30.

When I see people today spending big bucks on stuff like that I just shake my head....

 

[marco67]

Hell back before the whole LE craze, you could get Acans on some of the wholesale lists (marked as "utra or A+" Favites) for $35-$40 for an L-XL.
Now most wholesalers cherry pick their shipments and either name their cherry stuff or have another market to sell into. Reefer Madness is a prime example (not sure who owns them now) started by a well known importer as an "all the money" retail outlet for his cherry picked stuff.

 

[Greg Hiller]

>It's a marketing term and nothing more.<

Yup...works though. Come up with a cool name for all your stuff and it will do better.

 

[JeremyR]

Problem with "names" is that people argue about it. What zoas are those? I dunno.. each kind may have 20 names if you look long enough. Things like "eagle eyes" have been in the trade for 20 years and used to be sold by the pound for pete's sake.

 

[stingythingy45]

I would think"slow growing"has a lot to do with it.
Some zoas,take forever to grow for example(Atlantic Red) as an example.
Hobbyest become less likely to have enough to frag.So really it's the frags that become limited.Just my 2 cents......

 

[Chuck Spyropulos]

My view on Limited Edition corals are that they make big $ for a few savy marketeers (Tyree et al). They do nothing to promote the reef hobby as an affordable pastime. I have some LEs in my tank and I plan on fragging them soon at a low cost to club members. I think all club members do and should continue to do the same. That way we can all enjoy the hobby much more and at affordable costs.

Just because someone tries to sell LEs to you, does not necessarily mean that you can't get the same coral much cheaper under the "generic" name...sort of like generic drugs at Walgreens.

The only thing these colonies do (at marked up prices, at least) is put a "hole" in your wallet

 

[Cherokee_Dude]

Just because someone tries to sell LEs to you, does not necessarily mean that you can't get the same coral much cheaper under the "generic" name...sort of like generic drugs at Walgreens.

This actually makes a 'Hole' lot of sense I've seen Zoas on some sites for big $$$ and then I'd see a huge frag for much less somewhere else! This is where the patience of a reefer comes in! (Unfortunately that is not me )

+1 on the slow growers since tank care and maintenance ups the costs for slower returns.

 

[Chuck Spyropulos]

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PM attempted -> PM Box is Full -> So I emailed you

This actually makes a 'Hole' lot of sense I've seen Zoas on some sites for big $$$ and then I'd see a huge frag for much less somewhere else! This is where the patience of a reefer comes in! (Unfortunately that is not me )

+1 on the slow growers since tank care and maintenance ups the costs for slower returns.

 

[pvh]

Limited Edition to me means Purrrty Nice Looking Corals. Not necessary have to be limited supply. As for giving them a name, I think it's needed to help distinguish which SPS, LPS, or Zoas/Palys from which rather than just saying I have a red with yellow, green mouth paly (whatever that is).

 

[JackTheReefer]

My view on Limited Edition corals are that they make big $ for a few savy marketeers (Tyree et al). They do nothing to promote the reef hobby as an affordable pastime. I have some LEs in my tank and I plan on fragging them soon at a low cost to club members. I think all club members do and should continue to do the same. That way we can all enjoy the hobby much more and at affordable costs.

Just because someone tries to sell LEs to you, does not necessarily mean that you can't get the same coral much cheaper under the "generic" name...sort of like generic drugs at Walgreens.

The only thing these colonies do (at marked up prices, at least) is put a "hole" in your wallet

While I agree people are making good money on "LE" corals I will ask since when is reefkeeping affordable (if you want affordable keep tetras)? Nobody is forceing you to buy "LE" corals, you get what you pay for. Why sould someone frag a unusual coral they secured and sell it cheap to someone else to make the hobby affordable?

I think the new attitude with everyone cutting costs on corals/supplies/DIY to make reefkeeping affordable has hurt this hobby and tends to cause more problems than it is worth and ultimately leads to failure.

I like Ferraris, but I don't own one beacuse I can't afford it.

I.E.: Recently I took a trip to NJ and stopped by a LFS, while I was in there I had expressed I was from the Boston area and a member of BRS after spending some time talking with the store owner and was asked if I was one of those "Boston Cheepers", I have heard the saying used locally but never expected to hear it while I was in NJ, it was kind of embarrasing, it seems we have a reputation; some might se it as good, others might see it as bad, I call it as is see it. It's a fish club not a soup kitchen.

 

[Chuck Spyropulos]

I like Ferraris, but I don't own one beacuse I can't afford it.

I don't mind paying for a Ferrari since there are no "generic" Ferraris available....but I prefer Masserati

It is a little more complicated than what you inferred for corals however. Many of the LE's are available as "generic" corals at a fraction of the cost. No, you don't get the lineage or the "Tubs", or "Tyree" name brand stuck to them...but in many cases they are the same or so close to the same coral that there are no differences at all, except they did not go through Tubs or Tyree.... pretty lame.

Also, many of the LEs, as suggested above by others, have been available in the past at a fraction of the price that they now are after they are branded by cool names. For examples the expensive Acans were cheap only a few years ago before they were called AAA+ Aussie. The blastomussas that were expensive years ago are now cheap again.

There are many many types of acros and other corals that can't even be classified by name without skeletal dissection. So the only way they are identified is by Owner - this to me does not constitute a "better" or more colorful coral. What it does do however is synthetically limit the availability of that coral by demanding it comes from a certain person or source...or at least indirectly through other people. However, that same coral is most likely widely available which is why LE is very misleading and not appropriate as far as a means of identifying acros since they are most likely available by many other names, sources, etc. It's all a bunch of BS and hype, period.

In my opinion LE's have unjustifiably driven up the price of corals for no good reason. Yes, I am willing to sell a frag of a $100.00 frag for $10 to $20 since I am not running a business and I don't care about profits. If I sell 5 of the $20 frags, then I effectively got the original LE colony for free. I don't need to contribute to the rising prices of corals for personal gain. I sell frags to defray some of the electrical costs associated with the hobby not for huge gains that would further perpetrate the synthetic high price of corals.

 

[Chuck Spyropulos]

Names

Limited Edition to me means Purrrty Nice Looking Corals. Not necessary have to be limited supply. As for giving them a name, I think it's needed to help distinguish which SPS, LPS, or Zoas/Palys from which rather than just saying I have a red with yellow, green mouth paly (whatever that is).

I agree 100% The names DO help me to remember corals but the prices are unfounded. Cripes....sometimes I can't even remember the LE name. I stopped trying to remember except when I buy corals. If I see an LE that I like I buy it no matter the price....but I have to really really like it. If I see a coral that looks exactly like an LE that I want, I buy the cheaper one. When I sell frags, I don't even have an idea of which ones I have...I just sell frags at prices that relate to the growth rate and availability in my system....I do not set prices based on weather or not they are from Tyree or Tubs. That would be a rip off of my fellow reefers in my opinion.

 

[JackTheReefer]

I don't mind paying for a Ferrari since there are no "generic" Ferraris available....but I prefer Masserati

It still has the heart of a ferrari.

[/QUOTE]It is a little more complicated than what you inferred for corals however. Many of the LE's are available as "generic" corals at a fraction of the cost. No, you don't get the lineage or the "Tubs", or "Tyree" name brand stuck to them...but in many cases they are the same or so close to the same coral that there are no differences at all, except they did not go through Tubs or Tyree.... pretty lame.[/QUOTE]

Agree, but I will say shame on you for not doing your homework.

[/QUOTE]Also, many of the LEs, as suggested above by others, have been available in the past at a fraction of the price that they now are after they are branded by cool names. For examples the expensive Acans were cheap only a few years ago before they were called AAA+ Aussie. The blastomussas that were expensive years ago are now cheap again.[/QUOTE]

Agree, but it comes down to supply and demand or whats "hot".

[/QUOTE]There are many many types of acros and other corals that can't even be classified by name without skeletal dissection. So the only way they are identified is by Owner - this to me does not constitute a "better" or more colorful coral. What it does do however is synthetically limit the availability of that coral by demanding it comes from a certain person or source...or at least indirectly through other people. However, that same coral is most likely widely available which is why LE is very misleading and not appropriate as far as a means of identifying acros since they are most likely available by many other names, sources, etc. It's all a bunch of BS and hype, period.[/QUOTE]

Once again shame on you for not doing your homework, some people have to learn the hard way.

[/QUOTE]In my opinion LE's have unjustifiably driven up the price of corals for no good reason. Yes, I am willing to sell a frag of a $100.00 frag for $10 to $20 since I am not running a business and I don't care about profits. If I sell 5 of the $20 frags, then I effectively got the original LE colony for free. I don't need to contribute to the rising prices of corals for personal gain. I sell frags to defray some of the electrical costs associated with the hobby not for huge gains that would further perpetrate the synthetic high price of corals.[/QUOTE]

The problem is most people aren't like you, they want to jump in and grow, grow, grow and make that money. We say patience is key in this hobby but so many people are worried about what bulb grows corals the best and not what bulb looks the best. I think the frag craze has entice people who should not be in the hobby to come in, in an effort to profit from it. I support my lfs, not a local fish noob.

 

[Chuck Spyropulos]

Huh?

Jack, I think you missed my points. Homework?

I was making a case for why I believe that the LE designation is a scam. I was not trying to make excuses for anyone getting ripped off because they did not "do their homework". I agree with you that everyone is responsible for what they buy including buying LE corals.

As far as LFS are concerned, I buy there if I like the coral - prices and quality vary widely in LFSs too. As far as members selling frags or online frag sellers, I buy from them if I like the coral. If I like an LE I buy it too with my eyes wide open knowing that the price may be high! However this does not change my view that LE coral prices are unjustifiably high.