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Limited Edition, I don't Get it!
- Thread starter smpross
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I also don't think that getting corals on the cheap or decent sized frags has anything to do with the named corals. I've given away plenty of them but you can't expect a business like Atlantis or Tyree to do the same. I give them away because people have been nice to me in the past or because I want to spread them around so that if I lose them I have a source to get it back. Or because I want to see some one happy. It's going to depend on who I'm dealing with.
FWIW that mike paletta/purple rim cap thing does sound framiliar. I certaintly don't claim to have any inside info on this, in fact the last time I was paying any attention to the whole thing was several yrs ago. I would say that even if it is correct that there really are descendent frags out there, there are also a bunch of not real descendents out there that people were/are claiming to be the tyree morph. (ADW, got a pic? I'd love to see, just out of curiosity.)
There definately are all different takes on this issue. That's cool IMO, to each their own.
There definately are all different takes on this issue. That's cool IMO, to each their own.
I don't think I have anything recent but I will try to take one and get it posted. My tank has been moved 3 times in the last year and things are just starting to look good again now. Even with lights that are two old, a calcium reactor that hasn't been set up, and no fuge. 
So please be gentle when I do. 
So please be gentle when I do.
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Mini4x
Sea Box!
Especailly with corals and things, you can always grow more, there is never a finite number, so how can it be "Limited"
Limited Edition to me is is really something like this:
Luxury department store Neman Marcus has chosen a BMW M6 for its annual Holiday Catalog of Really Expensive Crap. Every year, the company picks some manner of flashy ride, has its own edition built, and offers it up to Neiman's well-heeled, ADD-addled customer base. Inevitably, the entire inventory of 50 or so cars sells out in 75 minutes, with subsequent press release touting same. This year's $139,000 Neiman Marcus edition 2007 M6 Convertible Limited Edition gets a Ruby Black paint job with Piano Black trim, power leather seats and an eleven-speaker sound system. The buyer also gets to pick them up at BMW's factory, with business-class tickets provided. Want it? Call 866-303-2696 on October 18th. American Express Onyx Centurian cards accepted.
Limited Edition to me is is really something like this:
Luxury department store Neman Marcus has chosen a BMW M6 for its annual Holiday Catalog of Really Expensive Crap. Every year, the company picks some manner of flashy ride, has its own edition built, and offers it up to Neiman's well-heeled, ADD-addled customer base. Inevitably, the entire inventory of 50 or so cars sells out in 75 minutes, with subsequent press release touting same. This year's $139,000 Neiman Marcus edition 2007 M6 Convertible Limited Edition gets a Ruby Black paint job with Piano Black trim, power leather seats and an eleven-speaker sound system. The buyer also gets to pick them up at BMW's factory, with business-class tickets provided. Want it? Call 866-303-2696 on October 18th. American Express Onyx Centurian cards accepted.
maxfischer
Instigator
im keeping my mouth shut! But agree with all of the above
I think part of this whole problem with this argument is the LE label. I think they should stop calling corals limited addition and just let the corals colors speak for themselves. Although I do believe that a coral can be rare. If you disagree with me find me a one of those sick watermellon chalices that Tyree has on his sight. No really please fine me one. 
As a footnote I recieve no compensation for my commentary in the form of frags or cash from Steve Tyree or any of his limited partners.
As a footnote I recieve no compensation for my commentary in the form of frags or cash from Steve Tyree or any of his limited partners.
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smpross
Non-member
ADW,
I disagree with several of your points. You are not guarenteed color hardiness, or more accurate information with trades by using designer coral names. I have seen Tyree corals that are very bland, but rare. In fact, using the name Tyree may give the buyer/trader a false sense of security. It is all about the person that you are trading with!
Last call for the SMPROSS aptasia. Come on, you know you want it! According to several posts since it has the name in front, it has to be good!
Scott
I disagree with several of your points. You are not guarenteed color hardiness, or more accurate information with trades by using designer coral names. I have seen Tyree corals that are very bland, but rare. In fact, using the name Tyree may give the buyer/trader a false sense of security. It is all about the person that you are trading with!
Last call for the SMPROSS aptasia. Come on, you know you want it! According to several posts since it has the name in front, it has to be good!
Scott
chew*
Murphy's Law
I think this thread should have probably been named WTF the Price with LE corals, because the majority of you are comparing it on a dollar scale and complaining about the cost. Instead of complaining, do something about it..........Buy the originals, grow them out, sell them for dirt to members.......
I can bet money that if I had 2 Pink lemonade frags one tyree and one normal and I was selling them for $20 you wouldn't touch the "normal" version.
As far as twisting my dog analogy. Lets change it up a runt was a bad comparison.
They're are pure breds and mutts. Me i prefer purebreds. Have i had to pay for them? yes. Mutts well they're free usually.
I can bet money that if I had 2 Pink lemonade frags one tyree and one normal and I was selling them for $20 you wouldn't touch the "normal" version.
As far as twisting my dog analogy. Lets change it up a runt was a bad comparison.
They're are pure breds and mutts. Me i prefer purebreds. Have i had to pay for them? yes. Mutts well they're free usually.
Chew*, you have a very good point.
Also, if not because of Tyree, the beautiful Idaho grape monti would still be buried in someone's tank unknown in middle of nowhere (no offense to the potato state).
Now we can enjoy the beautiful coral for cheap because of the efforts of Tyree and most important, BRS members.
During the process, the harm done to natrual coral reef is very small.
In stead of complaining about LE coral, people should take a look what this hobby has done to the natural coral reef if we continue to supprt those people who running coral chop shop.
Next time when you are buying corals, ask them if the coral they are selling are wild collected or aquaculture.
As I pointed out in an earlier post it is always important to deal with some one you feel comfortable with.
There is no question that a coral that has been thru multiple generations in a tank is more likely to survive. If Joe is trading you a frag of a wild caught coral that he got at an LFS it is less likely to survive than one that has been traded multiple times and been grown out in many peoples tanks over a period of time. It may not always be true but more often than not it is. Sorry that's just a fact. Please tell me what you are basing your disagreement with me on.
As far as beauty goes sometimes that is in the eye of the beholder. Some people just like something that has a unique shape, others want a bright color, others want a unique mix of colors. Not every coral with a name is going to blow you away but more often than not you can go on a site like reefcentral and say could you please post pics of this coral and see what it looks like in different peoples tanks. When a coral has a proven history of coloring up in a tank it is more likely to keep that color than another colony that has no or limited history except it looks good in Dave tank.
I would not buy a coral just because it has a name associated with it. I would however feel more comfortable buying a coral that I have seen in many other tanks looking good and growing well.
I don't think you can refute the hardiness and as far a how it looks if your whole argument is I saw a X named coral in some ones tank and it didn't look that nice than that is a pretty limited sample size to base your argument on. There definately are no garantees in the hobby but you can definately up the odds if you are dealing with a known as apposed to an unknown.
There is no question that a coral that has been thru multiple generations in a tank is more likely to survive. If Joe is trading you a frag of a wild caught coral that he got at an LFS it is less likely to survive than one that has been traded multiple times and been grown out in many peoples tanks over a period of time. It may not always be true but more often than not it is. Sorry that's just a fact. Please tell me what you are basing your disagreement with me on.
As far as beauty goes sometimes that is in the eye of the beholder. Some people just like something that has a unique shape, others want a bright color, others want a unique mix of colors. Not every coral with a name is going to blow you away but more often than not you can go on a site like reefcentral and say could you please post pics of this coral and see what it looks like in different peoples tanks. When a coral has a proven history of coloring up in a tank it is more likely to keep that color than another colony that has no or limited history except it looks good in Dave tank.
I would not buy a coral just because it has a name associated with it. I would however feel more comfortable buying a coral that I have seen in many other tanks looking good and growing well.
I don't think you can refute the hardiness and as far a how it looks if your whole argument is I saw a X named coral in some ones tank and it didn't look that nice than that is a pretty limited sample size to base your argument on. There definately are no garantees in the hobby but you can definately up the odds if you are dealing with a known as apposed to an unknown.
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I whole heartedly agree, if you don't want to buy an LE then don't buy it, if it's going to stretch your budget but you really want it, go for it.
I love Lamberghini's can I afford it, NOT! But if I really like a Lexus which is a little beyond my means, I might get it. It's all what makes you happy, I buy an LE once in a while, not because it's a status symbol, but because yeah, I like it. I've been sitting on a Pink Lemonade for a year and a half, do I feel cheated (price), do I feel guilty, not on your life. This is a free country in which we are free to make our choices.
Hey, in all fairness, we're all free to choose how we spend our money, and we're all free to have opinions about things like this.
Speaking for myself, I've made no attempt to tell anyone what they should or should not do. I've just commented on my personal feelings on a controversial topic in reefing. I've taken other's statements in the same way, but maybe I'm wrong?
Personally I dislike the trend of designer names for several resons, I think that's what this thread was about in the first place (not liking that trend). If you disagree you don't need to read or comment on the thread. If you want to argue a point, well I guess it's still a free country. (*I'm not directing this at anyone in particular, just a general statement)
Speaking for myself, I've made no attempt to tell anyone what they should or should not do. I've just commented on my personal feelings on a controversial topic in reefing. I've taken other's statements in the same way, but maybe I'm wrong?
Personally I dislike the trend of designer names for several resons, I think that's what this thread was about in the first place (not liking that trend). If you disagree you don't need to read or comment on the thread. If you want to argue a point, well I guess it's still a free country. (*I'm not directing this at anyone in particular, just a general statement)
I think people are free to name their coral. The name mean nothing to me.
I believe this thread is to educate people who starting the hobby that:
Named doesn't translate to added value to a coral.
Do not buy a coral because it has a catchy name or assume it is something rare or of high value.
Actually, anything that we can legally keep in our tanks are NOT rare.
I believe this thread is to educate people who starting the hobby that:
Named doesn't translate to added value to a coral.
Do not buy a coral because it has a catchy name or assume it is something rare or of high value.
Actually, anything that we can legally keep in our tanks are NOT rare.
Moe_K
Stabbed by Foulke
Well, mght not be rare in the indigenous environment, but vertainly might be rare to the hobby, rare to this country, or rare to hobbyists in New England.
There's a value for many people in having something that isn't seen in other people's tanks.
Like baseball card collecting... If everyone has a Pokey Reece card, it's not worth much. But if the Pokey Reece card is only owned by two people in the country, then folks would be willing to pay some serious cash for that card.
Nice point.
For example, PPE zoas (or should be called Paly) are rare in this country but not in Asia.
chew*
Murphy's Law
Here's a perfect example john. You asked me if wanted a piece of green slimer, I said nah I got one that is quite intense in color and far from the average. Once you saw it you tended to agree and wanted a piece of it.
I could probably get away with calling it "chew*'s intense green slimer". I didn't pay much for it, I don't charge much either. Normally you can't even give the stuff away, but this particular slimer sells due to it's intense color.
I buy stuff for color and have bought multiples of some things and kept the ones that displayed the best color. That is how frag farmers do it also.
I could probably get away with calling it "chew*'s intense green slimer". I didn't pay much for it, I don't charge much either. Normally you can't even give the stuff away, but this particular slimer sells due to it's intense color.
I buy stuff for color and have bought multiples of some things and kept the ones that displayed the best color. That is how frag farmers do it also.
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smpross
Non-member
Chew,
I still don't get your dog updated dog analogy. I too have always had purebred dogs. But most people will get a pure bred dog vs. a mutt for disposition. Something that you pay for. If you go to a breeder, A breeder will tell you about the disposition of the mother and father. This is because they want you make to understand that this is a quality they are breeding for specifically. Where people don't breed mutts to obtain better quality lineage.
Again, what is in a NAME? Has this person done something that makes the coral better for the customer?
I know of many people in the hobby that have given away "Designer Corals". In fact, last week, I had someone give me a "Designer Cap". Would I have paid $100 which is what people seem to be paying? No. But the fact that this member wanted me to have it for things I had given him, made me happy that they offered it. Many people are doing just what you suggested. Sure, if their are two pieces of Pink Lemonade at the same price, I will take the brighter color one. But if the duller one is a Tyree, am I suppose to take it because it is a Tyree?
I hope that I have not upset anyone with these thoughts. I am hoping for an open discussion. It seems that as this thread goes on, people are getting very sensitive. My goal was to attempt to understand what made these corals better. I must admit that I still don't get it. But I understand that others do. This hobby is expensive enough without us gouging one another. To avoid any hurt feelings, I will be closing my end of the discussion now.
I appreciate everyone's input. Feel free to continue to post your thoughts.
Scott
I still don't get your dog updated dog analogy. I too have always had purebred dogs. But most people will get a pure bred dog vs. a mutt for disposition. Something that you pay for. If you go to a breeder, A breeder will tell you about the disposition of the mother and father. This is because they want you make to understand that this is a quality they are breeding for specifically. Where people don't breed mutts to obtain better quality lineage.
Again, what is in a NAME? Has this person done something that makes the coral better for the customer?
I know of many people in the hobby that have given away "Designer Corals". In fact, last week, I had someone give me a "Designer Cap". Would I have paid $100 which is what people seem to be paying? No. But the fact that this member wanted me to have it for things I had given him, made me happy that they offered it. Many people are doing just what you suggested. Sure, if their are two pieces of Pink Lemonade at the same price, I will take the brighter color one. But if the duller one is a Tyree, am I suppose to take it because it is a Tyree?
I hope that I have not upset anyone with these thoughts. I am hoping for an open discussion. It seems that as this thread goes on, people are getting very sensitive. My goal was to attempt to understand what made these corals better. I must admit that I still don't get it. But I understand that others do. This hobby is expensive enough without us gouging one another. To avoid any hurt feelings, I will be closing my end of the discussion now.
I appreciate everyone's input. Feel free to continue to post your thoughts.
Scott
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