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New To Brs, And Need A Hand Please

jcallesano

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Good morning BRS,

I posted first in the welcome section and told a little about myself.


I am a beginner and have always been interested and fascinated by salt water aquariums since a child. I finally spend a little money and got myself a 12g nano deluxe system. Its been running for a week or so. Purchased and installed, live sand, live rock, new heater, saltwater with no chlorine(used PRIME) correct salinity, pH.

I purchased a pH buffer just in case I need it, I have used a little to it so far.
I have a separate pH test and things are normal (I think) 8.3-8.4
Also purchased a 6 in 1 test kit that does the nitrate, nitrite, chlorine, hardness, pH, salinity.


My tank:

temp-77-81F*****
salinity-10.24
pH-8.4
*****this flucuates in the morning and when i get home from work its always higher. I use from water bottles that are frozen to lower the temp...is this ok. I cant afford a chiller, especially for a little tank.

As I am not very impatient, I know this is not a hobby to rush into. I waited to jump right in with inverts for days and got some critters yesterday from a fish store in Boston where I live.(skiptons on mass ave)

I purchased 3 hermit crabs, 1 cleaner/skunk shrimp, and 1 peppermint shrimp(think thats what hes called)

I put all the bags in an extra tank I have and tilted it up against the wall so the water was deeper for them. I put my hose in my show tank and began the drip acclimation process. I did this for about 1.5 hours. They were moving around the tank with this process was happening and everything seemed to be in order.

I put the hermits in first, as soon as they touched the sand they were off running around. This morning they are still moving and going through the sand.

The smaller shrimp was fine through the whole process and when I put him in the he tank he ran around the tank all night in circles and seems to fine.

Cleaner shrimp was skittish from the start. He moved away from the inmates in the tank during acclimation and didn't really move when I put him in the real tank. I tried to move him around a bit to see id he would get going but not too much happened. He climbed to a lower rock and stood there for a long time. I went to bed and could still see the little shrimp running around like a racecar. Woke up this morning to find the cleaner shrimp on its side behind the rock he stood upon the night before. I poked him and moved him around but no response.

So need less to say I got rid of him. I was looking online and some say that they play dead and get very lethargic in home aquariums. ??? And sometimes molt. But the unresponsiveness brought me to the conclusion that he was dead.


Now, Im going to feel like a real idiot if I got rid of a live animal that was just unresponsive at the time.

What do you think of all this? Even though it was not a 60 dollar fish, I still dont want to throw money down the drain, literally.



Thank you for taking the time to read this for I am still learning and reading all day long. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Also interested in possibly having someone come to my place and show me a thing or two about my tank and give me the guidelines to follow.(after i meet some of you guys first)



Best,

Joe Callesano
 
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IMO a few days is not enough time to wait to put any livestock in your tank. a tank can take 3-4 weeks to cycle. Initially you get an ammonia spike which is fatal to livestock. Inverts are generally more hardy but it still could kill them. Shrimp I think are hardy but not as hardy as snails and hermits. Could be that the tank is not cycled.

I have had several shrimp and never had one play dead. I had two peps die recently and their shell got clear, like they molted, then they disappeared, never to be seen again.

Your parameters seem ok. Temp, PH, SG (1.024). You need to test your ammonia, nitrites and nitrates to get those readings. You can follow your cycle basically by watching the ammonia, nitrite and nitrate spikes. When all is at zero (or nearly at zero), your tank is cycled.

thats my opinion. I could be wrong.
 
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thank you much appreciated

IMO a few days is not enough time to wait to put any livestock in your tank. a tank can take 3-4 weeks to cycle. Initially you get an ammonia spike which is fatal to livestock. Inverts are generally more hardy but it still could kill them. Shrimp I think are hardy but not as hardy as snails and hermits. Could be that the tank is not cycled.

I have had several shrimp and never had one play dead. I had two peps die recently and their shell got clear, like they molted, then they disappeared, never to be seen again.

Your parameters seem ok. Temp, PH, SG (1.024). You need to test your ammonia, nitrites and nitrates to get those readings. You can follow your cycle basically by watching the ammonia, nitrite and nitrate spikes. When all is at zero (or nearly at zero), your tank is cycled.

thats my opinion. I could be wrong.


opinions are ok for now. i was told that the tank whould be ready to go because of the fully cured live rock and live sand. I do understand that there is time to spent be patient and its hard for me because I am so excited to get started and talk to my fish like a crazy person. : ) ahahah but thank you and i appreciate any advice that I can take. and like I said before, ill be looking to go one on one with someone and pick their brains so i dont F*$# up my tank and kill any more livestock.


joe
 
You seem to be missing the most imortant test kit(unless I missed something)when first starting out,(Ammonia).
Not sure what 10.24 is on salinity either.Best thing to get here is a refractor and post in specific gravity.Shrimp,snails need an extended amount of time for acclimation process.My guess is you have a cycle going on and that's what killed the skunk cleaner.

***Also do you have a top on this tank?
You might be able to stave off temp spikes by removing this.
 
i also agree with blueflu
your tank may have been cycled if you added good liverock tho
you should def confirm no ammonia/nitrite
skiptons will check your water for you
my shrimp molted the next day after i put him in my tank, the shell looks exactly like the critter but its obviously empty when you pull it out.
its def. not in your tank anymore?
good luck dont get discouraged we all loose fish
kev
 
salinty

You seem to be missing the most imortant test kit(unless I missed something)when first starting out,(Ammonia).
Not sure what 10.24 is on salinity either.Best thing to get here is a refractor and post in specific gravity.Shrimp,snails need an extended amount of time for acclimation process.My guess is you have a cycle going on and that's what killed the skunk cleaner.

***Also do you have a top on this tank?
You might be able to stave off temp spikes by removing this.

10.23 is perfectly normal for salt water.

anywhere from 1020-1025 is ok I have a hydrometer and plan to get a refracometer when i get some spare cash cuz I want the good one not the cheap one

thank you for your input though !
 
i also agree with blueflu
your tank may have been cycled if you added good liverock tho
you should def confirm no ammonia/nitrite
skiptons will check your water for you
my shrimp molted the next day after i put him in my tank, the shell looks exactly like the critter but its obviously empty when you pull it out.
its def. not in your tank anymore?
good luck dont get discouraged we all loose fish
kev

the second I realized he was dead I took him out cuz i know that he will give off toxins that i dont want. im goig to skiptons after work and have a water sample with me so he can check it out and see what the deal it. Im hoping everything is ok and I can brint home some more freinds but who knows. getting discouraged is easy for me cuz I dont like failure, who does. Im trying to do this right and I know how expensive it is. spend over 400 so far on a little 12g, i mean $hit thats a lot of dough for me , but to some of you thats pocket change im sure.

thanks for you input much appreciated
 
Hmmmm.....
I'm thinking you mean 1.023-1.025 sg.
Just got a little confused from the decimal point.
Hydrometers are notorious for being way off.But I can understand starting out with one.They are cheap and somewhat reliable when new.
 
opinions are ok for now. i was told that the tank whould be ready to go because of the fully cured live rock and live sand.

Once you put the LR in there, it can cause the ammonia to spike and the tank to go into another mini cycle. Even though it is LR, when you bring it home, there will always be some sort of die off which will cause the spike. Don't get me wrong, LR is Extremely important. But it does cause spikes initially. That is why you can't put a bunch of live rock into a mature tank all at once without risking a crash.

It could also just have been that the shrimp was stressed or other causes. Unfortunately there is a certain mortality rate in this hobby. Marine livestock are much more sensitive then fresh water. My other tank is 3 years old and I lost a shrimp when I put him in a few weeks ago and I acclimated him well and everything. It was either stress or my banded shrimp killed him.
 
the decimals were definitly a factor in that one sorry! : )



see ive been on the BRS for a bout a half hour and already have tons of info from ppl helping me out, this is exactly what I was hoping for from this thanks again to everyone
 
Also purchased a 6 in 1 test kit that does the nitrate, nitrite, chlorine, hardness, pH, salinity.

IMO the 6 in 1 tests are not very accurate. You definitely want quality tests kits to get the correct readings.
 
Joe,

Have you purchased any good reading material yet on the marine hobby?
I started out with Bob Fenner's book,The Conscientious Marine Aqaurist.
That book helped me so much when I first started.
There's always folks on here willing to lend a hand here also.It's a great rescource for info as well.
 
Hi Joe & welcome to BRS :) When you go back to Skiptons talk to Ed, he's the go-to guy in the SW department (he'll be in on Friday if you head over). As for the shrimp- they can be a little sensitive, and you may want to hold off a little while until you try another one. Hermits are pretty hardy and you're probably going to want to get some snails in there as well. Good luck!
 
I have that exact same refractor and have done hypo down to 1.008 with no ill effects,very accurate.
Definitely one thing to look into,Joe.

NOW HERE IS WHERE I LOSE YOU...""have done hypo down to 1.008 with no ill effects,very accurate.""" I REALLY DONT KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. UNDERSTAND THESE ARE VERY ACCURATE FOR MEASURING SALINITY BUT I DONT KNOW ANY FANCY TERMS FOR ANYTHING YET AND DONT KNOW ABBREVIATIONS. I KNOW IM A PAIN IN A$$ BUT IM LEARNING AND WILLING TO LEARN, SO I THINK THATS THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR RIGHT NOW
 
Hi Joe & welcome to BRS :) When you go back to Skiptons talk to Ed, he's the go-to guy in the SW department (he'll be in on Friday if you head over). As for the shrimp- they can be a little sensitive, and you may want to hold off a little while until you try another one. Hermits are pretty hardy and you're probably going to want to get some snails in there as well. Good luck!

THANK YOU : ) ED'S MY MAN--HES FRIGIN HILARIOUS AND I HOPE TO BECOME FRIENDS WITH HIM. HE SEEMS TO KNOW HIS STUFF AND SWEARS ON HIS FISH AND THE HEALTH OF HIS TANKS AND WATER QUALITY. EVERYONE THERE IS SUPER SMART BUT THEY GET ANGRY WHEN ITS TIME TO CLOSE, (WHICH OF COURSE IS THE ONLY TIME I CAN GET THERE TO ASK QUESTIONS AND STARE AT FISH I CANT AFFORD ; ) AHAHAH)


THANK YOU AGAIN... EVENTUALLY I WILL WANT TO MAKE FREINDS WITH ONE OF YOU KNOWLEDGEABLE PPL AND ASK YOU TO COME TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT I GOT AND GIVE ME A DETAILED RUNDOWN OF THE RISKS, PERKS, AND ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING ABOUT THE HOBBY.

LUNCH OR DINNER WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE ON ME OF COURSE! : )
 
Interesting"USING CAPS"?
Anyways"hypo"is really just a treatment to bring the salinity down for treating parasites in fish.Didn't mean to use the lingo 'was really directing my post to the other member regarding accuracy.That refractor for the price is a good accurate device for measuring salinity in seawater.
 
Interesting"USING CAPS"?
Anyways"hypo"is really just a treatment to bring the salinity down for treating parasites in fish.Didn't mean to use the lingo 'was really directing my post to the other member regarding accuracy.That refractor for the price is a good accurate device for measuring salinity in seawater.

*********Apologies for the CAPS, I used to writing like that and in no way shape or form is it referring to me raising my voice**************

Everyone should read that! : ) thanks again for the info.

hypo----is a mix, liquid, powder?
 
*********Apologies for the CAPS, I used to writing like that and in no way shape or form is it referring to me raising my voice**************

Everyone should read that! : ) thanks again for the info.

hypo----is a mix, liquid, powder?

Phew,that's good.I was like,great already POed the new guy.:rolleyes:

Yeah,hyposalinity is just reducing the salt in the water mixture to make it hard for parasites.Something I hope you will never have to deal with my friend.
 
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