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Ever wiped out/crashed a tank? - I'd like to know what happened

Greg Hiller

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FWIW, I'm writing some articles for the online magazine ReefKeeping. The first in the series has been submitted, hopefully it will be approved with few changes. The first part covers some of the most common ways to 'crash' a tank, and how to avoid them. I'm writing the second part of the article and I'd like to hear about any crazy ways that people have crashed their tanks. I want to make sure I've not forgotten about any.

So please, in the interests of the hobby as a whole learning from your mistakes please let me know what happened, or almost happened to your tank. If you don't want everyone to read about it, please email me your story.

Thanks in advance.
 
Wonderful idea for an article! I have two causes.

I went on vacation and told the person toppong off the tank to add a specific ammount each day. To make it easier I took the cover off of the sump and refugium so they wouldn't have to mess with them. Several hot days with dramaticly increased evaporation from the weather and extra open area caused a salinity spike.

The other problem didn't cause a crash, but the potential was there. Durring a strech of dry weather, mice entered the house looking for water and drown in my rodi container which I normally don't check before flipping the topoff switch.
 
EEK! mice in RO? yuck!

Ok...2 stories... Huricane Charlie 04. Hit Orlando/kissimmee. Power was off to the house for 2 days shy of 4 weeks. We recieved a generator from my uncle after he got his power back on day 3 to run the protien skimmer and other household things like fridge. Temps still spiked way to high within that time, without AC in FL. Lost everything that was left in the tank except some yellow parazoa's.

2nd story, nothing crashed, it was fish only but if there were corals it would have been a different story.

At rainforest cafe we have the protien skimmer drain hose going straite into a sewage drain. Overnight the skimmer went crazy and drained alot of water out of the tank. It went from 1.023 the day before to 1.0165 overnight with the auto topoff. We had no clue what caused it till later when we found fish bones inside the skimmer. a large squirlefish somehow went down the overflow into the sump and I guess got chopped up in the skimmer pump and into the skimmer parts went, causing it to go nuts! the skimmer was working fine when we got in the next day too... I guess all the fish parts got flushed out by then and the skimmer settled down.
 
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Marc,

You're disaster was high on my list. I keep wondering to myself how well my kalkwasser dip tube is anchored.
 
I had one "crash". It was while I was transfering from the 20L to the 58. I left all my stock, adn a lot of rock in a stock tank (actually it was a brand new keg bucket...shh.) This was in October maybe, and I usually sleep with my room on the chilly side. I didnt check when I got up, but when I got home from work the room smelled funky. Turns out the heater had gone, and the tub was at about 60 degrees.


I lost my CB angel, all my sps, my clam, and a couple of snails,crabs,etc. My Bubble coral was falling off its skeleton (you could see the skeleton through the mouth, and it was only attached at the edges of the coral, the body had a big gap between it and the skeleton). The bubble has since recovered. The CB was the nicest one I'd ever seen, absolutely neon blue, with bright orange stripes.

My clowns were fine, and my bta bleached out to bright white, and was 10% of its size within the week. Its only now back to green and back to the size it was at the beginning of that night.

Most of my zoos turned brown. Some have come back, some havent. My pinks still havent.
 
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Marc,

You're disaster was high on my list. I keep wondering to myself how well my kalkwasser dip tube is anchored.

As should we all, I've since moved to a stirrer.

I just read back through that thread ....Damn it was like reliving it. I can still vividly remember the foul stink of dead acro stew. Even the memory makes me want to puke.
 
My story is the classic gone on vacation story. I had gone on vacation the week before Labor day, and returned Labor day to find that my GFCI had tripped and the tank was without power for over 48 hrs past my battery backup. I lost all my fish, shrimps, most of my sps/lps. That taught me not to put my battery backup on the same circuit as the gfci.
 
Mine is a classic - didn't know what I was doing story. I had bought an established tank off another member about a year ago, and decided to keep the sand that was in it (and a decent amount of the water). Didn't have much of a cycle when I set it back up at my house, until I decided a couple weeks later to vacuum the crap out of the sandbed.

BAM - here comes the cycle! Tried to get the fish into QT fast enough, but ended up losing one and some inverts before I could. Then came problems with the QT. Lost another fish in there.

It took a good 2 weeks and a very helpful LFS to help me out and get the tank stable again. They actually came down to my house with huge tubs of water and a HOT filter to help get things on the right track again. If it weren't for them, I would definitely have lost more.
 
I got a great one of my own from a few years ago.

I was using a Magnum canister filter (note, these are sealed... no air in or out, just water in / water out). I turned it off for a few days, and let it sit there. Then, a few days later I turned it back on again....

The water in the canister that was sent back into the tank after sitting without air for a few days was RANK.... immediately everything in the tank looked awful, and the smell in the house was even worse.

Lots of water changes and much dieoff later and it was over. Ever since I have been VERY careful about anything that holds stagnant reef water going into my tank.
 
For me, it had to have been SABOTAGE!

Seriously, the problems that have affected me (and the solutions taken when designing my third incarnation of a reef tank two years ago) were:
1. Topoff failure!
2. GFCI Failure!
3. Tank Overheating!
4. CO2 Rate Failure!

A topoff failure, in my mind, is the most common means of failure in a reef tank. One solution I have taken to this problem is to use a Tunze Level Controller. But even then, I have had plenty of plumbing failures causing a leakage of system water. The Tunze level controller doesn't know otherwise, and simply tries to replace the loss of water with RO/DI water. This can cause a hyposalinity problem. My solution is to have the top off pump located in a well that contains only about 6 gallons of RO/DI water. No this means I must manually transfer the water to this reservoir about every 5 days, but I'd rather do that then run the risk of a hyposalinity crash. Even if there is a failure, 6 galons makes up only 6.7% of the total system volume, which would drop the salinity from 1.025 to a little above 1.023, which has been shown in my system to have little effect on the life.

A GFCI failure also ocurred, usually in conjunction with a plumbing failure. My solution to this was to build a power box where the tank is run off of 5 GFCIs in parallel. Critical systems are spread across different GFCI circuits. If one GFCI trips, the other four keep running (unless they trip). If the GFCI with the AquaController on it trips, then it registers a power failure and notifies me. Its also really important not to buy an external GFCI like the ones on an extension cord. My experience with these is that if the power shuts off (no GFCI trip), the GFCI must be manually reset. This is terrible, because if your tank loses power even for a second, when the power comes back on, your tank will still be without power. I also have my auto air bubbles plugged in on the GFCI responsible for tank circulation, so if that GFCI trips, the tank will be aertaed.

Tank overheating is a major problem with MHs and summer. I run a chiller, but if the chiller should fail, or my tank fans fail on a day when the chiller is not plugged in (in winter), my controller will start shutting MH lights off. It is unlikely the tank will get much above 84F without lights on in a single day. Moreover, the overheating triggers an alarm, which prompts the controller to contact me by e-mail. To prevent histeresis, when the lights are shut off due to heat, they stay off for the day and cannot turn back on until the next day. The lights shut off sequentially, so the corals will have as much light for as long as possible.

Finally, I've experienced a CO2 failure, from being too dramatic with bubble rate adjustment and overshooting my target. Always adjust your bubble counter slowly. Also, put your CO2 solenoid on an x10 module so it can be shut down if the pH drops too low.

In short, I think having a smallish topoff reservoir, putting all your eggs in different baskets GFCI speaking, and using controllers are some good precautionary measures. Still, failures are inevitable.

Matt:cool:
 
I agree with the small topoff resevoir. I forgot about my recent reef adventure. I had a topoff where I had an aqualifter on a digital (timex) timer. I had basically figured out how many minutes a day it needed to run to be right. Worked great for a couple weeks, then the timer died, in the on position. About 7 gallons of RO dropped into my tank(70g totaL).

Luckily I was running an aqualifter, so it probably took all day. My salinity dropped from 1.027 to 1.024, so no biggie, but had I been using a bigger resevoir, it may have been worse. Had no real losses, other than an acro that was really bleached out, and this just kicked it over the edge (It came in bleached from the frag draft)
 
I agree with the topoff disaster being pretty common.... I heard about Nate's problem when I first joined BRS last year. I have since heard of so many close calls that I will definately plan to avoid this when I bring my auto toppoff online.

One of the ways I plan to do this is by running my topoff pump (peristaltic dosing pump) on a limited time cycle so that my max dump into the tank is 2-3 gal a day.

M.
 
I've had 2 total fish wipe outs in the past. The first was when I upgraded from a 45 cube to a 100(not sure exactly what it was). I reused the old sand trying to save a few bucks, and about a week later, all but 1 or 2 fish were floating upside down. The second was when I moved and upgraded to my current 210. Again, I reused the old sand and about a week later, all but 1 or 2 fish floating upside down. I have since changed out the sand and will NEVER reuse old sand when moving or upgrading a tank. A cupful is plenty, the rest gets dumped. I've learned some expensive lessons as have alot of us.
 
Looks like thus far most of the disasters are of the recirculation and topoff variety. FWIW, this is exactly what I described as the most common failure, and is discussed at length in the first part of the article.
 
I think I'll never know what caused the big crash in my tank last year. I haven't ruled out sabotage :D
 
i put a good hurting on my tank when i installed new overflows and shut the main pump off for almost two days in order to let the silicone dry. i put a heater and powerheads in the tank, but i forgot to aerate my refugium. when i turned all the pumps back on a bunch of crap came flying out of the fuge and my ammonia went through the roof. dead sand and algae funking things up. its sucked.
 
I avoided a complete crash but wound up with a 2 gallon bucket full of RTN'd stag horn colonies and frags. Lost about $500 of corals.

The final analysis still leaves questions, but here ya go.

In the belief that Purigen is a superior organic absorption media, I built my own reactor powered with a trickle pumping Aqualifter pump. Everything was fine for about 6 months. But then I botched "regenerating", i.e. cleaning, 1 liter of used Purigen with bleach per the Seachem instructions.

The problem began when I turned my reactor back on after months of no use (thus the water organics were probably high) and did so just before leaving on a four day trip. (MISTAKE 1: major system change before leaving system unattended.)

When I returned home, my tank was ghostly colorless and the corals were lifeless in appearance. The water was striped clean and clarified to the point that everything was starting to bleach. (MISTAKE 2: started "new" filtration media in large quantity with reactor running full blast 7x24)

Further, it turns out that a botched Purigen bleaching process can introduce CHLORINE directly into the system. (MISTAKE 3: I was apparently born an idiot)

Further still, while freaking out, I rushed water changes and added a dechlorinator directly to my system which absolutely punished the remaining corals. (MISTAKE 4: you cannot rush a system de-contamination procedure and you always have to cure fresh saltwater)

And finally, I run a networked system and did not make suffiencient effort to frag the RTN'ing corals in a safe system. (MISTAKE 5: no backup plan.)

(MISTAKE 6: now that I think about it, I still don't have a crash backup plan) :o

While this story is about a comedy of errors related to my use of Purigen, the specific filter media could have been any one of many products. Hope this helps somebody.
 
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