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Ich with my Achillies
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Garlic hasn't been scientifically proven to do anything OR nothing. Semantics.....
But yes, you need to choose your path, eradicate or manage. Eradication can be tough and plenty of fish have been killed in the process so it's not without risk. Then again, we're talking about a sensitive fish that probably isn't the best at tolerating stress and managing infections.
So yea, what size tank are we talking about?
But yes, you need to choose your path, eradicate or manage. Eradication can be tough and plenty of fish have been killed in the process so it's not without risk. Then again, we're talking about a sensitive fish that probably isn't the best at tolerating stress and managing infections.
So yea, what size tank are we talking about?
Marshall O
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I think he is saying if you left a tank fallow for 12 weeks, added one fish that had been treated with copper, he could stress the fish enough to get Ich. Which I have to disagree with as my explains above
It's either present or its not, and it can be eradicated.Exactly. Arguably it is possiible that copper treatment could be done inproperly, or even a freak strain of ick that needed a bit longer than 12 weeks might be possible - but one way or another you can't get ick without having ick present. It's like pregnancy, no girl ever got pregnant through excessive flirting.
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2287725
Check posts 24 and 25
If you have ever checked the fish only section on rc I'm sure you have seen Humaguy's tank. From reading his threads over the years and his background in the scientific field I'd say it's clear that garlic does more harm than good.
Check posts 24 and 25
If you have ever checked the fish only section on rc I'm sure you have seen Humaguy's tank. From reading his threads over the years and his background in the scientific field I'd say it's clear that garlic does more harm than good.
That's a good read. Really though, it concludes that feeding a lot of garlic to fish might be harmful long term, and it hasn't been established that it really does anything helpful. I take it more as calling BS on the notion that feeding garlic must be helpful, than it is scientifically "proving" that garlic is harmful. Either way, garlic definately doesn't cure ick
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saying ich is never gone is like saying you have the flu that will stay dormant until you get stressed from work..
i agree with the above... its not impossible to get rid of. but it is hard. inverts can carry it in the shell to your tank. which is why i just bought a ton of snails the day i moved all my fish out for the 12 week journey of looking at a boring tank
i agree with the above... its not impossible to get rid of. but it is hard. inverts can carry it in the shell to your tank. which is why i just bought a ton of snails the day i moved all my fish out for the 12 week journey of looking at a boring tank
Fishport
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+1 Chris regarding the relevance of Christine's talk last meeting.
If I understood some of her major points- Ick is omnipresent. It is always on healthy fish but the normal balance allows the fish to defend against its infecting it. The best cure is removing stress from the fish, but like everthing in this hobby there are exceptions.
She stated that use of garlic will make the hobbyist feel better but it does not do anything for fighting ich.
This article addresses some of the points she touched upon as well as some of the discussions in this thread.
http://www.saltcorner.com/Articles/Showarticle.php?articleID=41
Raising the temperature works for freshwater ich but causes saltwater ich to transform to a dormant cyst state to re-emerge when the temperature is brought down to normal.
Based upon what I have read, cloroquine phosphate is gaining popularity and can be treated in the display tank. But you should verify with others as I have no direct experience.
I know certain treatments to eradicate ich are based on the organism's life cycle but when claims are made that ich was eliminated form the display tank how is this truly known? I am under the impression that the dormant cysts are pretty prevalent. One of Christine's themes was that she has learned that to do less was to do more. But I understand the anxiety of seeing a fish ill and at risk of dying. Good luck!
Omnipresent in the ocean, yes. Likely in captivity, yes. Inevitable, no.
It is essentially impossible to establish that ick is NOT at all present in a system, but my experience has been that after doing a proper and reccomended treatment, and then preventively treating any new additions - I haven't seen the slightest hint of a symptom of ick in my system for about 8 years now. I only have a few fish, I almost never feed (anything other than what is self sustaining in the tank), when I do feed it's usually just a pinch of flake or pellets (maybe once a week at best). I have had multi day power outages, temp spikes, low temps, and various other stressors. I can't prove my tank is truely clean of ick, but having done a reccomended treatment based on well known science and having no re-occurance on all these years, I'm fairly confident that no stressor is going to cause ick to pop up other than actually introducing it.....
Is treatment for everyone? No, not at all. Is it possible? everything science has learned about the parisite indicates that it is possible.
I'm not attacking anyone's opinion or experiences, but eradication is possible even of the vast majority of anecdotal experiences run counter to that fact.
Edit, also please note that the linked article above talks about "hyposalinity" as keeping the SG at 1.010-1.013. (Effective hypo treatment requires 1.008-1.009) It's easy to disregard a treatment when you don't do it right
It is essentially impossible to establish that ick is NOT at all present in a system, but my experience has been that after doing a proper and reccomended treatment, and then preventively treating any new additions - I haven't seen the slightest hint of a symptom of ick in my system for about 8 years now. I only have a few fish, I almost never feed (anything other than what is self sustaining in the tank), when I do feed it's usually just a pinch of flake or pellets (maybe once a week at best). I have had multi day power outages, temp spikes, low temps, and various other stressors. I can't prove my tank is truely clean of ick, but having done a reccomended treatment based on well known science and having no re-occurance on all these years, I'm fairly confident that no stressor is going to cause ick to pop up other than actually introducing it.....
Is treatment for everyone? No, not at all. Is it possible? everything science has learned about the parisite indicates that it is possible.
I'm not attacking anyone's opinion or experiences, but eradication is possible even of the vast majority of anecdotal experiences run counter to that fact.
Edit, also please note that the linked article above talks about "hyposalinity" as keeping the SG at 1.010-1.013. (Effective hypo treatment requires 1.008-1.009) It's easy to disregard a treatment when you don't do it right
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