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Lighting?

Michael Mota

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I need some help with lighting? For my new tank I am debating on using SE metal halides or HQI metal halides but as you may guess I do not know what to use. Are there any differences in the two bulbs? Assuming the bulbs are the same wattage and color temp, is one bulb better than the other? Any thoughts or opinions would help me out tremendously. I am using ARO electronic ballasts.
Thanks
Mike
 
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Never mind, I just saw the link to San jays lighting web site in another thread thanks to testhead. I will be sticking with the SE Metal Halide Bulbs.
 
Endless thoughts....

1. with electronic ballast you will actually be using the rated wattage or very close to it. With magnetic / hqi ballasts the actual watts used vary a lot from the ratings, ie a lot of DE bulbs run on magnetic HQI ballasts use closer to 350W. Standard magnetic ballasts also vary a lot in actual watts used, but the HQI's pretty much universally push more juice into the bulbs. Point being not all 250w set ups are really 250watts.

2. DE lamps appear to be more efficient in design, in that the smaller bulbs allow more efficient reflectors - DE lamps generally give a very focused light distribution, SE lamps tend to spred the light out more which is not necessarily ideal for putting the light into the tank (though they do a good bit better with "diamond lumanarc" reflectors compared to other SE reflectors). Also, I think that because the DE bulbs are a lot smaller, the bulb itself doesn't block it's own reflected light from getting into the tank.

3. I have been told (there are many takes on this) that the electronic ballasts "underdrive" DE bulbs - some say that this shortens blub life, others say it prolongs bulb life??? Either way the lumen output IS less with electronic ballasts, and generally the color of the same bulb will be different on electronic vs magnetic ballasts.

4. DE lamps are clearly more popular these days. The consensus is that a 250W DE lamp is just about equal to a 400W SE lamp. (keep in mind that that's comparing a DE lamp using up to 350W to a SE lamp that may be using right around 400W ???

5. IME, looking at a 250 DE HQI compared to a 250W SE on a standard ballast, well there's no comparison, the HQI puts out a lot more.

6. Up until reccently you couldn't really get a good DE HQI retro/DIY set up. This used to mean a major cost difference in set up. Now there are nice (I think, haven't seen one in person) DIY DE/HQI parts readily available - hence far less initial cost difference.

I would suggest DE lamps, but also suggest really looking at the performance #'s on HQI magnetic vs electronic ballasts (Par, watts used exct.. for different bulbs AND ballasts). Electronics run cooler, and use less juice, but they also put out less light and May or Maynot negatively affect bulb life and color.

The options are truely mindnumbing IMO. I suggest taking about 5 asprin and spending a long time studying sanjays testing (Google "sanjay reef lighting", his link will be the first hit)

Hope this helps, surely others will elaborate and or add more.

jk
 
Wow, I just typed a lot while you posted with the same answer.

Just curious, what are you basing that choice on? (not disagreeing, just curious).


BTW, aside from my suggestions, my current favorite set up is 1x 250SE 10K (8 hours a day, center of tank) 2x 250W SE 14K (both ends of tank, 4 hrs a day) both on standard mag ballast with 2x 110W VHO actinic supplement (10 hours a day).
 
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To give a real world example to back up JimmyJ's excellent summary:

Same 250w DE lamps, 14K Pheonix bulbs

driven by Oceanlight HQI magnetic ballast: 290w
driven by Icecap electronic ballast: 265w

The bulbs driven by HQI magnetic ballast is brighter. I have them side by side and it is easy to tell.

Both are significantly brighter than a 250w 14K SE lamp.
 
the 14K SE lamp is 14K hamilton 250w SE driven by ICecap e-ballast. I think my choice is very clear and I don't need a PAR meter to justify it.
 
In terms of heat generation, the HQI magnetic ballasts I am currently running are warm to touch after 10 hrs of running (fan cooled). The Icecap ballasts are warm to touch also but no fan needed.
 
And to add to that,

I have a 150W DE hamilton 14K and 2x 250W SE hamilton 14K's over different tanks. IMO the 150 DE is nearly as bright as the 250 SE's and the color is a bit nicer also (subjectively).
 
What I found (only my opinion) is that 250w SE is not a hugh improvement from 175w SE. But 250DE is a big difference from 150w DE. I will say 250w DE is the right kind of lamp for the SPS I have.
 
no disagreement here, sanjays #'s seem to support that. (I don't have a 250W DE to compare to at home)
 
Wow, I just typed a lot while you posted with the same answer.

Just curious, what are you basing that choice on? (not disagreeing, just curious).


BTW, aside from my suggestions, my current favorite set up is 1x 250SE 10K (8 hours a day, center of tank) 2x 250W SE 14K (both ends of tank, 4 hrs a day) both on standard mag ballast with 2x 110W VHO actinic supplement (10 hours a day).
My choice is based on that I already have the electronic ballasts on my 90 reef and I will be moving everything over to the 125reef. not looking to replace the ballasts and other things.
 
That is a very very reasonable choice. Run out to buy another ballast may not be worth the money and effort.
 

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