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Parasitic Acro Flatworms: PLEASE HELP !
- Thread starter Chuck Spyropulos
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Jeremy, Im not blaming it on any of them...for the record I have only 1 sps in my tank...I just think the parasite thing is interesting. And even more so is solving it. Yes there are a number of different indo companies...but to determine where they are comming from can you help with these questions:
1) Do aquacultured acros get flatworms
I assume they do as well
2) Do aquacultured acros get flatworms less frequently then others, if so why?
3) Could it be that they get them at the same rate but hobbiest just want an easy out...its always easy to blame the supplier *NO ONE TAKE OFFENSE TO THIS* ITS JUST A QUESTION!
4) When and under what conditions will flatworms travel to other colonies in the same tank
These will help me understand them a little more.
1) Do aquacultured acros get flatworms
I assume they do as well
2) Do aquacultured acros get flatworms less frequently then others, if so why?
3) Could it be that they get them at the same rate but hobbiest just want an easy out...its always easy to blame the supplier *NO ONE TAKE OFFENSE TO THIS* ITS JUST A QUESTION!
4) When and under what conditions will flatworms travel to other colonies in the same tank
These will help me understand them a little more.
Chuck Spyropulos
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Qt
You need a tank, heater, and maybe live sand or rock for a little filtration.
Then what I would do is to treat the tank with a a prophylactic dip that contains iodine. Then I would also dip each coral in Lugol's solution (iodine)
periodically. The problem is that iodine does not kill the worms it just makes them drop off of the coral. Also the eggs are unaffected. So you would need to keep dipping each coral, perhaps rotating one or two or threee corals a day an d continue to dip them until all of the eggs hatch and then one last dip and a good brushing to remove any left over eggs.
You need a tank, heater, and maybe live sand or rock for a little filtration.
Then what I would do is to treat the tank with a a prophylactic dip that contains iodine. Then I would also dip each coral in Lugol's solution (iodine)
periodically. The problem is that iodine does not kill the worms it just makes them drop off of the coral. Also the eggs are unaffected. So you would need to keep dipping each coral, perhaps rotating one or two or threee corals a day an d continue to dip them until all of the eggs hatch and then one last dip and a good brushing to remove any left over eggs.
MelodyDurham said:
Chuck Spyropulos
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Unfortunate but True
I think this is the right way to go although it is a major PITA !
I think this is the right way to go although it is a major PITA !
dedfish said:
Chuck Spyropulos
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SPS Keepers Forum
For some reason, according to the SPS Forum people on RC, these parasites do not quickly infiltrate the entire tank as do the regular flatworms (planaria). They tend to stick to the infected coral and do not migrate quickly to other corals next to the affected ones. Will they at some point "jump ship" and move to another neighboring host coral? Not sure.
For some reason, according to the SPS Forum people on RC, these parasites do not quickly infiltrate the entire tank as do the regular flatworms (planaria). They tend to stick to the infected coral and do not migrate quickly to other corals next to the affected ones. Will they at some point "jump ship" and move to another neighboring host coral? Not sure.
stang8s said:
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I think the biggest point here is since there is no known treatment at this time how do we as hobbiest prevent introducing them into our systems regardless of where they are aquired. Even with Chuck treating his colonies\frags very diligently he still introduced them into his tank.
stang8s
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MelodyDurham said:
A while back Anthony Calfo gave me a long lecture about quarantine and blasted me for not doing it. One interesting thing he pointed out to me that I never considored is that Fish can carry disease/parasites that can harm corals and corals can carry disease/parasites that can harm fish..
So just because a fish looks healthy and is eating, etc.. does not mean it is not carrying something that can harm your corals and likewise for corals or rock or anything that you put in your tank.
His speach to me wasnt enough for me to start a quarantine but it was enough to freak me out anyway!
Chuck Spyropulos
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Q
You need a different QT for fish than you do for corals since you amy want to use copper for fish and iodine or what ever for corals.
You need a different QT for fish than you do for corals since you amy want to use copper for fish and iodine or what ever for corals.
stang8s said:
Ray
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chuck if you are 100% sure you got them from me why did you tell me that the Dr Mac acros died the same way THEN the ones you got from me started to die that way. What did they do jump from the ones you got from me and kill the others then decide to go back and kill the original ones?
Chuck Spyropulos
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Ray
I told you several times, the Dr. Mac Corals had no flatworms. The Dr. Mac corals came to me bleached probably from travel stress. So, no, there were no jumping worms. Stop blaming Dr. Mac for everything.
I know it is tough to hear bad news, but come on Ray, you admitted to me at Sea Creatures in Revere that you had problems with these parasites after I told you that ALL of your colonies I bought were infested and died. Take some responsibility for what happened and admit that you know that you had problems with these worms. You told me to my face that " everything that is coming in has these worms".
Let's stick to getting rid of these things and stop blaming the messenger (me).
These critters are here and it is time to eradicate them at the LFS level AND the buyer level. Those commercial enterprieses that admit they have problems and come up with a plan and work with hobbyists will benefit. Those who try to throw around misinformation and deny, deny, deny, will someday have to pay the piper.
I told you several times, the Dr. Mac Corals had no flatworms. The Dr. Mac corals came to me bleached probably from travel stress. So, no, there were no jumping worms. Stop blaming Dr. Mac for everything.
I know it is tough to hear bad news, but come on Ray, you admitted to me at Sea Creatures in Revere that you had problems with these parasites after I told you that ALL of your colonies I bought were infested and died. Take some responsibility for what happened and admit that you know that you had problems with these worms. You told me to my face that " everything that is coming in has these worms".
Let's stick to getting rid of these things and stop blaming the messenger (me).
These critters are here and it is time to eradicate them at the LFS level AND the buyer level. Those commercial enterprieses that admit they have problems and come up with a plan and work with hobbyists will benefit. Those who try to throw around misinformation and deny, deny, deny, will someday have to pay the piper.
Ray said:
>I haven't started keeping any SPS yet, but I guess I'm going to have to be extremely paranoid about what I put in my tank. Parnoid to the point that I'd have to consider if it was even worth setting up a SPS tank without a fulltime quarantine tank.<
I hate to tell you, but there are parasites for nearly every animal on earth. There are specific parasites for a wide variety of corals, soft, hard, SPS, LPS, you name it. Leaving SPS out of your tank is not going to keep you from ever having a problem. Knowledge of the types of potential parasites for the critters you are keeping is one of the best weapons to have.
I hate to tell you, but there are parasites for nearly every animal on earth. There are specific parasites for a wide variety of corals, soft, hard, SPS, LPS, you name it. Leaving SPS out of your tank is not going to keep you from ever having a problem. Knowledge of the types of potential parasites for the critters you are keeping is one of the best weapons to have.
Chuck Spyropulos
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Lugol's
Greg, do you know where I can get Lugol's locally or some of that Oomed?
Greg, do you know where I can get Lugol's locally or some of that Oomed?
Greg Hiller said:
Chuck,
>These critters are here and it is time to eradicate them at the LFS level AND the buyer level<
This is the problem though isn't it. You will NOT eliminate these from the ocean. Wild collected colonies will continue to come in with these and any other parasite. There will always be significant risk. As Jeremy mentioned even the most careful LFS, wholesaler, etc. cannot promise on a wild colony you won't find these critters.
>These critters are here and it is time to eradicate them at the LFS level AND the buyer level<
This is the problem though isn't it. You will NOT eliminate these from the ocean. Wild collected colonies will continue to come in with these and any other parasite. There will always be significant risk. As Jeremy mentioned even the most careful LFS, wholesaler, etc. cannot promise on a wild colony you won't find these critters.
>Greg, do you know where I can get Lugol's locally or some of that Oomed?<
I think Skipton's or other shops have the Lugol's, Champion has it as well. The Oomed is no longer for sale in the US. I'll be in London in a few days, perhaps I'll keep my eyes open for it.
I think Skipton's or other shops have the Lugol's, Champion has it as well. The Oomed is no longer for sale in the US. I'll be in London in a few days, perhaps I'll keep my eyes open for it.
Please all, let's take the accusations about where and how the critters got here to some other venue.
Further posts regarding such accusations will be DELETED by me.
Further posts regarding such accusations will be DELETED by me.
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I think they came from Greg 
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...Chuck Spyropulos
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Oomed
Thanks Greg, If you can get a bottle for me in London please do so. Iknow I pay you cash...or I can send $ via PayPal.
Thanks Greg, If you can get a bottle for me in London please do so. Iknow I pay you cash...or I can send $ via PayPal.
Greg Hiller said:>Greg, do you know where I can get Lugol's locally or some of that Oomed?<
I think Skipton's or other shops have the Lugol's, Champion has it as well. The Oomed is no longer for sale in the US. I'll be in London in a few days, perhaps I'll keep my eyes open for it.
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