Two part versus Calcium Reactor thoughts...

[Dave McReeferson]

Yeah, I should have made that qualification to my statement, a 5 pound cylinder or even a 10 pound cylinder I don't think have the mass required to cause serious damage to themselves and their critical components in a run of the mill tipping over incident.

None of my comments on this matter should be construed to mean that such cylinders should not be treated with respect.

 

[NateHanson]

Absolutely there's more concern with a 4' tall cylinder. A little 18" tall cylinder just (I think) can't hurt itself if tipped over. IMO.

 

[dz6t]

I think we are getting somewhere and being very constructive now.

Here are two stories I want to share:

Mr. A aquired several buckets full of coral skeleton from Mr. B
Mr. A tossed those skeleton in his calcium reactor
After a while, Mr. A's coral was not doing well despite he tried everything.
Several month passed and Mr. A ran into a Mr. C who was a friend of Mr. B
Mr. C told Mr. A that Mr. B had a tank crash a while ago due to a faulty heating element which leaked copper into the tank and killed off everything.


Mr. A B and C are not BRS memebrs and they do not live in New England area.


Now story #2:

This happened over sea in a country in Asia.

Mr. D bought calcium media imported by company X from supplier Y oversea
He had success for years using the same brand of media bought from company X
His tank, which had hugh big beautiful elegant coral, died
He traced the failure to high metal contant in a batch of media he bought
He confronted company X and company X consulted with its supplier
The supplier denied any worng doing
In turn, company X denied any wrong doing .

Company X indicated that there was no regulation for quality assurance for calcium media imposed by goverment regulation.

Mr D was screwed

If the supplier was Dow chemicals, Mr D would have lived happly ever after.

 

[Dragon2115]

Great slug-fest. Let me know who wins, Coke or Pepsi, er Ford or Chevy. No, that wasn't it. Miller or Budweiser? Wait, what were deciding was better?

If the supplier was Dow chemicals, Mr D would have lived happly ever after.

Sorry to disagree Dong but I think Mr. D would be screwed either way. Dow Chemical, to my knowledge, doesn't make aquarium supplements specifically so they're going to claim that Mr. D used the product for an unintended application and therefore the company is not responsible for any damage or loss incurred.

 

[delta]

Did I misspeak? I don't think I made any comments on reactors in here that anyone would disagree with, please correct me where I went astray from well known facts. If there is one thing I don't want to be, it is misinformed.

Well I think if you read back in the thread to the statement you make that two part is added slowly and you add all the reactor media at once insinuating it is safer to add two part.

I feel that you are stretching the facts. Reactor media is no different than adding LR to your tank basically inert until CO2 is added. Where as two part solution is a soluble additive that will have immediate effects on the chemistry of your tank.

I am not arguing for one system or the other, just try to discuss the details surrounding each systems.

 

[dz6t]

Great slug-fest. Let me know who wins, Coke or Pepsi, er Ford or Chevy. No, that wasn't it. Miller or Budweiser? Wait, what were deciding was better?



Sorry to disagree Dong but I think Mr. D would be screwed either way. Dow Chemical, to my knowledge, doesn't make aquarium supplements specifically so they're going to claim that Mr. D used the product for an unintended application and therefore the company is not responsible for any damage or loss incurred.

man, you are good.

What I want to say is that there is good quality control on Dow Flakes but not on calcium media.

If there is any dosing error that lead to loss of (marine) life forms, it will be user error instead of faulty product from Dow.

If Dowflakes you bought is out of spec, you sure can recover damage from Dow.

 

[Liam]

Dong you could just build some kind of retaining frame for your CO2 tank that would not allow it to fall,screwed to your wall or cabinet.

 

[JayM]

man, you are good.

What I want to say is that there is good quality control on Dow Flakes but not on calcium media.

If there is any dosing error that lead to loss of (marine) life forms, it will be user error instead of faulty product from Dow.

If Dowflakes you bought is out of spec, you sure can recover damage from Dow.

I think the only thing Dow will give you in their guaranteed analysis is the amount of 'Mag in the bag'. The rest could be plutonium for all we know......

 

[Dave McReeferson]

Well I think if you read back in the thread to the statement you make that two part is added slowly and you add all the reactor media at once insinuating it is safer to add two part.

No no, I was not trying to insinuate that at all. I was insinuating that they are somewhat equal. If I were to mix up six months worth of two part, or six years for that matter, it is added to the to the tank at much the same rate (arguably at the exact same rate) as reactor media is dissolved into solution. I was responding more to this point of yours...

"A reactor is part of the system, water flows through it and it becomes part of the Eco system where as dosing is an outside processed impurity."

I was eluding to the fact that the media you add to your reactor is also an outside processed quantity. No matter how you go about this, there is no way around the fact that you may end up adding stuff you do not want to. If you will read back carefully, you will find (or at least I hope you will as it is what I intended) that I am not knocking neither system.

I feel that you are stretching the facts. Reactor media is no different than adding LR to your tank basically inert until CO2 is added. Where as two part solution is a soluble additive that will have immediate effects on the chemistry of your tank.

I don't see where I am stretching the facts. As you add two part to your system it has an immediate effect on the chemistry of your tank, fact. As the media in a reactor is dissolved into solution, that portion which has been dissolved has an immediate effect on the chemistry of your tank, also fact.

I am not arguing for one system or the other, just try to discuss the details surrounding each systems.

I think we are pretty much on the same page on that one. I think in the interest of gaining as much as possible from this discussion, neither side should be easily dismissed.

 

[delta]

I think we are pretty much on the same page on that one. I think in the interest of gaining as much as possible from this discussion, neither side should be easily dismissed.

Agreed you never know when having another tool at your disposal in this hobby may come in handy.

 

[Reef55]

I think the only thing Dow will give you in their guaranteed analysis is the amount of 'Mag in the bag'. The rest could be plutonium for all we know......

Not true on food grade FDA regulated chemicals, such as the Dow calcium chloride and soda ash I use. "Driveway grade" I'll agree that is true though.

 

[dz6t]

Not true on food grade FDA regulated chemicals, such as the Dow calcium chloride and soda ash I use. "Driveway grade" I'll agree that is true though.

Second that.