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Water Change from Basement to 1st floor

pesto

Keeping it Simple!
I setup my RO/DI unit and the water change barrel in my basement. I now need to move the water from the barrel in the basement to the aquarium located on the 1st floor. I have a hole in the floor and a 5/8" ID flexible water line going from the barrel to the aquarium. I have not been able to find an aquarium pump strong enough to get the water to the first floor. Any suggestions? I have a spare (new) sump pump. Do you think it would be safe to use for this purpose?
 
I'm going to assume that you haven't tried an external pump, because my reeflo pumps move water up 13 feet every day.

If you are looking for a submersible one, maybe one of the larger MAG pumps might do it.

If not, look for a MAK4 external, it will do it for sure.

I would not use a sump pump not designed for the hobby...I would hate to see a leaky seal or something contaminate your system
 
None of the mag drives are technically "pressure rated". the 9.5 and the 12 have a 15' shutoff. and the 18 and 24 have a 22' shut off.

But when all is considered, like Jay said, an external pump is your best bet. the pan world 100px, blueline 40hd, 55hd etc and iwaki 40 rlt, 55 rlt will all do what you need. They are all rated for 20+ feet of head pressure which should give you adequate flow at 13 feet of head.
 
Just so I am clear . . . I have about 20' of 5/8" water line going from the basement to the 1st floor. What does 20+ feet of head pressure and 13 feet of head mean to me? Just trying to understand the specs. Thanks!
 
Just so I am clear . . . I have about 20' of 5/8" water line going from the basement to the 1st floor. What does 20+ feet of head pressure and 13 feet of head mean to me? Just trying to understand the specs. Thanks!


Anytime you push water vertical head pressure increases.
It's basically the weight of the water in the pipe overcoming gravity.
Some pumps will not push water vertically very well.
Pressure rated pumps are best used for this application.If you look at the spec's of external pumps on say drsfostersmith.com or marinedepot.com they generally have a chart there that states what flow will be at the "head pressure"or vertical height.Many pumps will simply stop pushing water after a certain height.
 
Btw,if I were you and had the ability to do a basement sump.
I'd do that first before taking on water changes from the basement.
Then you could do everything in the basement.Water changes,testing and even in some cases pumping old water out to a dry well.
Plus it adds to the overall system water volume.
I couldn't be happier with the way mine has been running(knock on wood).
 
That's a lot of food for thought. I am fairly new to this so . . . it may take some time to fully get my head around it. Don't want to move too quickly and make a major mistake. That would make me very sad! Thanks!
 
I agree with the basement sump. If you have room to keep a sump in the basement and run your return and drain pipe up to your display, it will be much easier and cleaner in the long run.
 
Don't add to the confusion.....

Btw,if I were you and had the ability to do a basement sump.
I'd do that first before taking on water changes from the basement.
Then you could do everything in the basement.Water changes,testing and even in some cases pumping old water out to a dry well.
Plus it adds to the overall system water volume.
I couldn't be happier with the way mine has been running(knock on wood).

I agree with the basement sump. If you have room to keep a sump in the basement and run your return and drain pipe up to your display, it will be much easier and cleaner in the long run.

Anyone new into the hobby would be doing water changes by siphoning the water into 5 gallon buckets and emptying the old water down the toilet with a couple extra 5 gallon buckets of new salt water off to the side to add the to the tank. pesto is new in the hobby so save any confusion about head pressure and building a sump in the basement with the plumbing involved is only added to the confusion. Keep in mind that when most of us started out how much was involved in understanding how to build a sump with the baffles, skimmer location, overflow and all the other things that were going through our heads in just keeping a new tank going and wondering if it were possible to keep saltwater fish, never mind corals. All pesto wants to do is get water up to his tank to do water changes and as time goes on the knowledge will be gained about head pressure and sumps in the basement. He's got 14 posts at this moment so chances are he's new and his question is a legit one now that he has an RO/DI unit and a barrel. I attached a quick rough sketch of an old method I used getting water up to the tank using a Mag 24, (bought used on BRS) a 25 ft python (Craigslist), a barbed T and a couple of threaded ball valves connected with threaded barb hose fittings (HD). I'd close the valve above the barrel (barrel bought here, BRS) and siphon my tank water into a drain. Shut off the drain valve open the valve above the barrel and turn on the Mag 24 via a long extension cord near the tank and fill my tank right there. Done, no more hauling buckets. Makes life easier in the mean time while research is learned. I hope this helps.
 

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Anyone new into the hobby would be doing water changes by siphoning the water into 5 gallon buckets and emptying the old water down the toilet with a couple extra 5 gallon buckets of new salt water off to the side to add the to the tank. pesto is new in the hobby so save any confusion about head pressure and building a sump in the basement with the plumbing involved is only added to the confusion. Keep in mind that when most of us started out how much was involved in understanding how to build a sump with the baffles, skimmer location, overflow and all the other things that were going through our heads in just keeping a new tank going and wondering if it were possible to keep saltwater fish, never mind corals. All pesto wants to do is get water up to his tank to do water changes and as time goes on the knowledge will be gained about head pressure and sumps in the basement. He's got 14 posts at this moment so chances are he's new and his question is a legit one now that he has an RO/DI unit and a barrel. I attached a quick rough sketch of an old method I used getting water up to the tank using a Mag 24, (bought used on BRS) a 25 ft python (Craigslist), a barbed T and a couple of threaded ball valves connected with threaded barb hose fittings (HD). I'd close the valve above the barrel (barrel bought here, BRS) and siphon my tank water into a drain. Shut off the drain valve open the valve above the barrel and turn on the Mag 24 via a long extension cord near the tank and fill my tank right there. Done, no more hauling buckets. Makes life easier in the mean time while research is learned. I hope this helps.

Oh well,didn't think it was all that confusing.
But perhaps it was.
Anyways,I just don't see the logic in spending almost $200 for a pump to simply do water changes.:confused:
 
I set up a system like this for a customer.

I used an aqua tec demand pump and ran it from an auto top of control.

In the basement we have 2 barrels one is RO one water change, both have a pick up from the demand pump in them and are fed into that pump through a shuttle valve.

For the water change you just shuttle over to your mixed water drain off any amount you want and the system will replace with mixed water.

Just remember to switch that shuttle back.
 
Thank you everyone . . . it is all very clear to me. I really appreciate the sketch and help everyone provided. For now, I am really most concerned with keeping all of this going right now. Yes, maybe in the future doing more in the basement will be an option. However, right now my goal is simplistic . . . I just don’t want to lug 5 gallon pails from my basement to the tank. It is most efficient to just move the water from my barrel to the tank directly. I picked up an awesome pump (Iwaki MD70RLT) on Craigslist for $75. I know this pump may be a bit more than I needed but, figured I would buy it for the future and the price was right. So, all in all I got away cheap, don’t need to lug anymore buckets of water and the fish room is uncluttered. I am pleased with the result . . .
 
Awesome,
Sounds like you got a great deal on a nice pump.
 
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