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The problem I'm having is finding that balance!
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Any MoonShiners in here?
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I’ve been bouncing around seeing what I like the best. I’ve tried lrs frozen wasn’t a fan, rods food is alright but too expensive, so I tried a multipack from San Francisco Bay brand. The marine cuisine and emerald entree are their favorites. When I use up everything I have I’ll be buying those two and alternating. I’ll still be defrosting in rodi draining and feeding just the food.
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Are you ordering them or getting them locally?
For the trial purposes I did locally I think petco or petsmart. My goto for frozen foods is sea creatures in providence for example hikari mysis typically sold at most lfs for about $10 he sells it for $4. So next time I’m in there for my frozen mysis which is coming up I’ll see if he has or can get those in.
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Let me know what they have. I need to get new food(s)
I've been using Moonshiners for a year and a half, but am in the process of switching to the Captiv8 system, which is similar. The reason I'm switching is that the Captiv8 system is much easier to use. The owner of Moonshiners, Andre Mueller, is adamant that you cannot mix the Moonshine elements. This means that the elements that you dose daily have to each be done seperately. I'm currently using 8 dosing heads for my daily doses of the Moonshine elements. With Captiv8, you can mix all your elements into a cocktail each month, and only dose that each day. Captiv8 will also let you add all your "monthly catchup" elements into that cocktail. So this is far easier than manually dosing each of the monthly elements for several days after you receive your ICP results, then each of your daily elements seperately every day.
Captiv8 elements are also a lot more concentrated than Moonshine, for what it's worth.
I'm not sure about the price difference, but I suspect Captiv8 is cheaper.
They also have a different philosophy about what level each element should be in your water - Moonshine believes that certain elements should be elevated well above natural seawater levels, Captiv8 believes you should maintain natural seawater levels. But if you chose to, you could still use the Captiv8 elements to maintain elevated levels.
And the guy who runs Captiv8, Chris Wood, has a PhD in Chemistry. Andre at Moonshine does not, FWIW.
And a word about water changes. Many Moonshiners (Andre included) think you can skip water changes when on the shine. I have continued doing water changes, which you can still do. My thinking is that water changes remove more "bad stuff" than elevated nutrients, such as toxins from coral warfare. True, if you are able to maintain your nutrients at proper levels, and maintain your traces through dosing, water changes have less to accomplish. But I'm still not comfortable foregoing water changes entirely.
Captiv8 elements are also a lot more concentrated than Moonshine, for what it's worth.
I'm not sure about the price difference, but I suspect Captiv8 is cheaper.
They also have a different philosophy about what level each element should be in your water - Moonshine believes that certain elements should be elevated well above natural seawater levels, Captiv8 believes you should maintain natural seawater levels. But if you chose to, you could still use the Captiv8 elements to maintain elevated levels.
And the guy who runs Captiv8, Chris Wood, has a PhD in Chemistry. Andre at Moonshine does not, FWIW.
And a word about water changes. Many Moonshiners (Andre included) think you can skip water changes when on the shine. I have continued doing water changes, which you can still do. My thinking is that water changes remove more "bad stuff" than elevated nutrients, such as toxins from coral warfare. True, if you are able to maintain your nutrients at proper levels, and maintain your traces through dosing, water changes have less to accomplish. But I'm still not comfortable foregoing water changes entirely.
That’s more intriguing to me any links for reading material?
I think they have some documents online, but I can't find them. You can contact Chris Wood at this link, I'm sure he would be happy to answer any questions.
www.captiv8aquaculture.com
You can also find a lot of people talking about it on reef2reef
Contact | Captiv8 Aquaculture
Captiv8 Aquaculture. U.S.A.-based and -produced, privately-owned by scientists.
www.captiv8aquaculture.com
You can also find a lot of people talking about it on reef2reef
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Interesting! I'll have to read about this. I wasn't too happy about having to get a bunch of different dosing heads either. How is the tank looking?
You dont have to put anything on a doser. Dailies aren't huge amounts and I feel more hands on with my system. Takes less than 2 minutes.
Sorry for the webcam screenshot.
Yes, that's true. Way too much hassle for me, but to each his own. And it would take me a lot more than two minutes, probably 5-10. I’m slow. Plus it's a lot to ask a fish sitter to do, and I travel a lot.
For fish sitter, i make up daily syringes. Very easy. i travel a lot as well.
What's the tracking number showing you, as to where it is.
Delivered, I shipped it 11/19. Not sure if maybe that is the old address or does it always say an individual picked it up?
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I just sent my first ICP in and am awaiting results. I am torn between Moon Shiners and the Captiv8 method. Seems to get you to the same place, but it looks like Captiv8 is easier, cheaper and can be dosed in one liquid as opposed to multiple dosing. Anyone have Captiv8 experience?
