hydrogen peroxide dosing

[willray]

I am getting really frustrated with dino's and am about to do all the actions below at the same time,but am really concerned and nervous for my lg RBTA's.Would appreciate your knowledge,thoughts, opinion,experiences.Agian big concern for bta's.

Black out,not just lights out or 1 small one on...have done that up to 6 days...but haven't done a black out yet.
Higher ph........done this for 6 wks and went up to 8.6....nothing
Use GFO.........doing this now 3 wks....nothing
manual siphoning,remove equip that I can and clean...done at least once a week.
activated carbon, have always used it, also have taken it offline for 4 wks...did nothing
And the biggie....H202 1 ml per 10g. haven't done this yet.

 

[Turbosnail]

I dose with h2o2 and find it keeps my water very clear and I have no algae issues and when I started dosing h2o2 it turned any algae I had white and it just disintegrated and disappeared.

 

[RayD]

Dude I had a bad dino problem in my 20 gallon nano. Pat at AA suggested this product.

http://www.aquacave.com/kent-marine-tech-m-brmagnesium-additive-143.html

It's not the Magnesium and Pat didn't know exactly what property in this product did the job but this additive made the dino go away. I swear dude it worked! Try it. The worst that can happen is you add a little MG to the tank.

 

[delta]

I am getting really frustrated with dino's and am about to do all the actions below at the same time,but am really concerned and nervous for my lg RBTA's.Would appreciate your knowledge,thoughts, opinion,experiences.Agian big concern for bta's.

Black out,not just lights out or 1 small one on...have done that up to 6 days...but haven't done a black out yet.
Higher ph........done this for 6 wks and went up to 8.6....nothing
Use GFO.........doing this now 3 wks....nothing
manual siphoning,remove equip that I can and clean...done at least once a week.
activated carbon, have always used it, also have taken it offline for 4 wks...did nothing
And the biggie....H202 1 ml per 10g. haven't done this yet.

I would stop using carbon and don't change your water. We found when we had a really bad case (stick you arm in the tank and in seconds it was covered by Dino's basically smothering everything in the tank)that carbon and water changes only fueled it growth.

What are you dosing? Feeding etc?

 

[willray]

Thanks Ray I'll do it/check it out,def little harm can come from it if any.Dosage recommendation?
Greg I haven't change water in 6 months or more except to replace the the 1-2 gal from siphoning.Are referring to activated carbon?Actually didn't run it for more like 7 weeks and saw no dif other than snails were dropping faster.My top off is kalk as heavily saturated as can be and was dosing slurry of kalk(mrs wages pickling lime)to keep ph up, went as high as 8.8(accidently) for a day.Was a nervous wreck the whole day.I don't feed the corals at all and the fish are feed every 2-3 days new life spectrum pellets equivalent to 2-3 pellets ea. max per fish and the pellets are fairly small also aggressively skimming.

 

[newenglandreef]

I've been dosing h2O2 for about a month now--it's worked great, but I'm starting to stagnate. I think I'm going to do a large water change and keep dosing. My RBTA is doing terribly though, it's the only inhabitant that seems affected. I've done everything you mentioned about, likewise, nothing worked remotely.

 

[wilfx]

I tried the mag route. Had it up to about 1700. nothing happened except for a purple up

 

[willray]

It makes sense to me now! The (BTA) are mostly water.So when they expel the water in their body tissue because of the h2o2 is irritating them and then they inflate back up they take in the h2o with H2o2 which makes them ill and attacks their host zooxanthellae,a type of "flagellate". I bet you could never dose H2o2 with a BTA and not kill it.

 

[jenreef]

It makes sense to me now! The (BTA) are mostly water.So when they expel the water in their body tissue because of the h2o2 is irritating them and then they inflate back up they take in the h2o with H2o2 which makes them ill and attacks their host zooxanthellae,a type of "flagellate". I bet you could never dose H2o2 with a BTA and not kill it.

very good theory. that's probably what happened to my rbta. and that's why it died a little after the peroxide treatment

 

[Turbosnail]

I have a huge seabae and a gbta and I dose h2o2 and they are both doing just fine.

 

[JohnK]

Big second on NOT siphioning / water changing. No one knows why, but I have heard many accounts of it fueling the problem, and my own exp is consistent with that.

Also second on the elevated mg being a side effect of some by product or something in the kent Mg additive. Again, No one knows why, but it only works with the kent mg (based on everything I have read about it).

When you upped the PH, how did you do it and how consistent was it? (ie was the PH consistently elevated that high 24/7) For me the cure was finding a dosing pump that had the right flow rate so that it was dripping kalk nearly continiously all day and night (24 hrs of dripping equaled about 90% of my total evap).

 

[willray]

I have a huge seabae and a gbta and I dose h2o2 and they are both doing just fine.

That a little comforting to know.

Big second on NOT siphioning / water changing. No one knows why, but I have heard many accounts of it fueling the problem, and my own exp is consistent with that.

Also second on the elevated mg being a side effect of some by product or something in the kent Mg additive. Again, No one knows why, but it only works with the kent mg (based on everything I have read about it).

When you upped the PH, how did you do it and how consistent was it? (ie was the PH consistently elevated that high 24/7) For me the cure was finding a dosing pump that had the right flow rate so that it was dripping kalk nearly continiously all day and night (24 hrs of dripping equaled about 90% of my total evap).

I have a 30 gal tank that's used for changes and still have 1/2 tank so I only exchanged about 15 gal over 6 months.I understand where your coming from on the water changes.What about top off being replaced?... Unless the "fuel" is in the salt mixes?
If I don't siphon I am certain my tank would be horendous in 2-3 weeks.1/4" airline tubing to siphon to a bucket,works great, then the dinos coagulate together after about 15 min in the bucket after that most of the water goes back in the tank.
I use a peristaltic pump that comes on 24 times a day for 15 min dosing saturated lime water about 2.5 gal, at night the ph went went as low as 8.4 during the night dosed kalk slurry constantly during the day to keep it higher.

 

[newenglandreef]

"1/4" airline tubing to siphon to a bucket,works great, then the dinos coagulate together after about 15 min in the bucket after that most of the water goes back in the tank."

--another trick to siphon without losing water is to the bucket through a filter sock.

 

[kevinpratt823]

I've never heard of Tech M for dinos, only Bryopsis.
I dosed h2o2 for two weeks, no prob with my rbta. I tried the elevated ph, but because of the massive ammounts of limewater, my salinity would drop and sump would overfill, so I siphoned and added salt to compensate, for me this caused more stress than it was worth. I would start siphoning them daily, and siphon through a filter sock and add the same water back to the tank. I don't know why, but even adding 4-5 gal of fresh SW into a 600 gal system seemed to fuel them up. Also, it may have just been coincidence, but they seemed to come back less when my salinity jumped up to over .027

 

[Bruno]

good read

http://www.reef2reef.com/forums/gen...gellates-my-experience-h2o2-reefing-tool.html

ALSO

http://reefbuilders.com/2010/09/20/dinoxal-remove-dinoflagellates/

 

[willray]

I have a huge seabae and a gbta and I dose h2o2 and they are both doing just fine.

I've never heard of Tech M for dinos, only Bryopsis.
I dosed h2o2 for two weeks, no prob with my rbta. I tried the elevated ph, but because of the massive ammounts of limewater, my salinity would drop and sump would overfill, so I siphoned and added salt to compensate, for me this caused more stress than it was worth. I would start siphoning them daily, and siphon through a filter sock and add the same water back to the tank. I don't know why, but even adding 4-5 gal of fresh SW into a 600 gal system seemed to fuel them up. Also, it may have just been coincidence, but they seemed to come back less when my salinity jumped up to over .027

So when you folks dosed was it the full 1ml per 10 gal and for how long?

good read

http://www.reef2reef.com/forums/gen...gellates-my-experience-h2o2-reefing-tool.html

ALSO

http://reefbuilders.com/2010/09/20/dinoxal-remove-dinoflagellates/

Been all over those, several times. thanks Bruno.

 

[newenglandreef]

I've been dosing about 1-1.5 ml per 10 for about a month. Someone up on RC has been dosing that rate for months without issue. I did plateau at a point after about two weeks, I learned through reading that the bacteria may be able to adapt to the H2O2 over time.

I just started dosing vodka as well. I'm seeing the dinos return a little. Seems that dissolved oxygen may be a pivitol factor, since H2O2 raises oxygen, and vodka raises CO2, dropping oxygen. That's my guess anyway.

 

[JohnK]

I've never heard of Tech M for dinos, only Bryopsis.
I dosed h2o2 for two weeks, no prob with my rbta. I tried the elevated ph, but because of the massive ammounts of limewater, my salinity would drop and sump would overfill, so I siphoned and added salt to compensate, for me this caused more stress than it was worth. I would start siphoning them daily, and siphon through a filter sock and add the same water back to the tank. I don't know why, but even adding 4-5 gal of fresh SW into a 600 gal system seemed to fuel them up. Also, it may have just been coincidence, but they seemed to come back less when my salinity jumped up to over .027

Ahh, that's right. Elevated mg/tech M does nothing for dinos. Good catch.

 

[willray]

O.K. Been since Tuesday morning and have done it all....black out,h2o2,high ph etc.Have just been peeking in lower right corner a couple times since and saw life so closed it back up.
4 full days......whatcha folks think? Uncover it today?

 

[frank180reef]

4 full days , I would say yes