Could Dino’s go away on their own eventually??

[jayteerq]

Could Dino’s go away on their own eventually??

Backstory - Had a 8 month old 65g and upgraded to 130g. Transferred everything. Used old sand but also added 80lb of new sand. Used old rock and added 2 new pieces of Marco rock. Added a lot of Live Bacteria to try and avoid a cycle/bloom. 3 weeks later today, Nitrates and Phosphates keep trying to bottom out. Sand + new Marco rocks is getting brown and stringy throughout the day. Could it just be a mini cycle/bloom? No deaths with fish or coral.

I have a 25watt UV sterilizer running. I’m feeding heavy dosing nitrates and phosphates to try and elevate levels. I’m also dosing Live Phyto daily. I’m starting to worry because it looks like it’s just getting worst but it’s only been about 2 weeks since the Dino’s so maybe it has to get bad before it gets better? Anyone have any advice? MB7 didn’t seem to work for me. Planning to turn refugium light and skimmer off for now as I’m having trouble raising my nitrates. It currently sits at 2. Would like it at 10-15. The entire sandbed is brown lately. Any advice is much appreciated.

 

[thrillreefer]

I really hate dinos… I think the general advice is to first ID the species you’re dealing with, which requires microscope. Once you know, they have specific approaches to attack them. If you have Ostreopsis for example, UV is going to help a lot if you can drive it planktonic (i.e. blackout) but for others it won’t help as much. Sorry you’re getting hit. I’m battling some in one tank. I hate that my knee-jerk reaction when something looks off is to do a water change, but for dinos that’s just fuel on the fire.

 

[jayteerq]

Yeah Dino’s is so stressful! Lol I’m thinking about trying a UV sweeper. Heard a lot of good success come out of it. But yeah I should identify my Dino strain first before anything. I’m not even sure if it’s 100% Dino’s or maybe diatoms? Idk but it’s brown stringy and has air bubbles so I assumed dinos

 

[thrillreefer]

Yeah that sounds like dinos pretty likely

 

[afboundguy]

Dinos are a pain. I actually am culturing 3 silicate strands of phyto that are supposed to help with dinos. At least that's what the place I bought the strands from says as they sell a mix of all three strands to help combat dinos.

The theory is that the silicate phyto strands out compete the dinos and consume the silicates in the tank that would have normally fueled the dinos. While I haven't tested the theory in reality as I don't have dinos, I have noticed a noticable drop off in other nuscience algae in the tank since I have started dosing 5-7 strands of phyto with 3 of them being silicate strands so I believe it would work for dinos. I don't have time to ship but if you ever are in the northshore area I could give you a few strands of the silicate strands to try if you'd like...

 

[jayteerq]

Dinos are a pain. I actually am culturing 3 silicate strands of phyto that are supposed to help with dinos. At least that's what the place I bought the strands from says as they sell a mix of all three strands to help combat dinos.

The theory is that the silicate phyto strands out compete the dinos and consume the silicates in the tank that would have normally fueled the dinos. While I haven't tested the theory in reality as I don't have dinos, I have noticed a noticable drop off in other nuscience algae in the tank since I have started dosing 5-7 strands of phyto with 3 of them being silicate strands so I believe it would work for dinos. I don't have time to ship but if you ever are in the northshore area I could give you a few strands of the silicate strands to try if you'd like...

You serious??? That would be a blessing. I can help you confirm the theory! My tank is the perfect candidate!! I will drive up to you tomorrow! Lol

 

[afboundguy]

Tomorrow won't work unfortunately as I just split the cultures a few days ago and they won't be ready until sometime next week. I often have extra phyto anyways and I'd be happy to help you test the theory since you have dinos and you're a paid member lol

 

[jayteerq]

Tomorrow won't work unfortunately as I just split the cultures a few days ago and they won't be ready until sometime next week. I often have extra phyto anyways and I'd be happy to help you test the theory since you have dinos and you're a paid member lol

No worries! I have 3 more bottles of live phyto from algae barn I’m trying out. Have been putting in an oz a day but might start upping the dosage. There’s no way I can cause a negative effect from overdosing is there?

 

[Duds]

No worries! I have 3 more bottles of live phyto from algae barn I’m trying out. Have been putting in an oz a day but might start upping the dosage. There’s no way I can cause a negative effect from overdosing is there?

Phyto feasts on your nutrients, maybe that’s why you are experiencing them trying to bottom out? Beyond that I don’t believe so maybe others could chime in if I’m wrong.

 

[afboundguy]

No worries! I have 3 more bottles of live phyto from algae barn I’m trying out. Have been putting in an oz a day but might start upping the dosage. There’s no way I can cause a negative effect from overdosing is there?

I supposed you could overdose your tank but I would equate it to more of if you overfeed your tank way too much you could get ammonia spike but I think it would be a lot of phyto. I dose 75 ml three times a day in my 45'ish total gallon tank. I have put in 1/4 gallon at times before I set up auto dosing for phyto.

For normal dosing I use this as a guide

 

[jayteerq]

I supposed you could overdose your tank but I would equate it to more of if you overfeed your tank way too much you could get ammonia spike but I think it would be a lot of phyto. I dose 75 ml three times a day in my 45'ish total gallon tank. I have put in 1/4 gallon at times before I set up auto dosing for phyto.

For normal dosing I use this as a guide View attachment 215566

Holy crap lol I’m going to up my dosage. I should be dosing an entire bottle per day it says I’ve been dosing 1 oz of a 16 oz bottle per day hahaha that’s what the directions said though

 

[Reefried]

First of all i have a good amount of experience with Dino’s. To answer your question, yes they can most certainly just go away. But it’s not in their own. It is most likely from tank maturation, and stability.

I would be cautious about doing 16 different things at once trying to eradicate them.

First thing for sure is to confirm you actually have Dino’s. And what type. I bought a microscope from Amazon for less than $100. You are more than welcome to bring over a sample and we can look at it, I will teach you what I know about using it and I could let you borrow it to help over the next few weeks/months.

I have some thoughts on phyto and Dino’s I could talk to you about if you want. Lmk.

 

[jayteerq]

First of all i have a good amount of experience with Dino’s. To answer your question, yes they can most certainly just go away. But it’s not in their own. It is most likely from tank maturation, and stability.

I would be cautious about doing 16 different things at once trying to eradicate them.

First thing for sure is to confirm you actually have Dino’s. And what type. I bought a microscope from Amazon for less than $100. You are more than welcome to bring over a sample and we can look at it, I will teach you what I know about using it and I could let you borrow it to help over the next few weeks/months.

I have some thoughts on phyto and Dino’s I could talk to you about if you want. Lmk.

That would truly be an honor my good sir!! Would love that

 

[dilligaf29]

came across this today might help ya

https://www.reef2reef.com/attachments/dinoflagellateid12_12_2019-pdf.1324729/