Apex Skimmer Issue
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Jim Tansey
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If I follow your thinking you are separating out functions that require real time communication from preprogrammed functions.
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MrX
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I think the DEFER statement is the problem. Regardless of where it is in the program it will execute. Looks to me like 2 minutes after this program is evaluated the outlet is always turned on.
https://forum.neptunesystems.com/showthread.php?52-Defer-and-Min-Time-statements
Ditto to what cilyjr said; I'd change the programming to default to OFF and only turn on when other criteria is met (swap the checks in other lines).
https://forum.neptunesystems.com/showthread.php?52-Defer-and-Min-Time-statements
Ditto to what cilyjr said; I'd change the programming to default to OFF and only turn on when other criteria is met (swap the checks in other lines).
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Jim Tansey
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Thank you for the input, it makes no difference where in the program the defer statement is it is the last to be executed this is true, but as I see it it does not supersede the command that says if the switch is open then off and it is a stand alone statement that instructs a delay prior to restart.
BTW I think the fallback as OFF is the way to go.
Jim
BTW I think the fallback as OFF is the way to go.
Jim
cilyjr
Chris
this is incorrect the defer statement is a cmd that tells it how long to wait to turn back on after it has been turned off. it will not overrule off statements. it can be placed anywhere in the program...
good to see you back on the forums though dude. I hope things are well!
this is correct
Jim, can you access the classic dashboard?
cilyjr
Chris
correct.
manually turning a "switch" from off to auto or on on the fusion dashboard will have no effect if there is no communication to the"cloud" fusion server.
if one were to access the apex via the classic dashboard over the LAN (local area network) the switches should work.
I believe because you have the initial set to on when it loses its connection to fusion it gets "confused" and puts the outlet into the default state (in your case on).
the problem I have with my own thinking here is that the apex should operate independently of fusion. the set on statement is more if the eb8 loses communication with the "brain".
I would like to say that this problem has me intrigued as the program you wrote is CORRECT.
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Jim Tansey
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I lost power several times briefly if fact I said to my wife I wish the power would stay out and stop cycling like this, we have a whole house generator and it keep turning on/off it would have been better having it on and staying on.
I'll get back to your other points a little later I'am just heading out.
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I'll get back to your other points a little later I'am just heading out.
Jim
cilyjr
Chris
Do you have a small a.c. adapter on the brain of the apex?
I'm thinking the issue occurred during a brief power outage. If it started when the power was out and then quickly came back on the Apex wouldn't necessarily know to turn off the skimmer. If you change the fallback to off. It might avoid this. You could also add the statement
If Power Apex Off 001 Then OFF
But you would have to set up the Apex so it will know when there's a power outage
I'm thinking the issue occurred during a brief power outage. If it started when the power was out and then quickly came back on the Apex wouldn't necessarily know to turn off the skimmer. If you change the fallback to off. It might avoid this. You could also add the statement
If Power Apex Off 001 Then OFF
But you would have to set up the Apex so it will know when there's a power outage
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Jim Tansey
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Chris,
By a AC adapter? not sure what you mean.
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By a AC adapter? not sure what you mean.
Jim
cilyjr
Chris
The base unit has a small 2.1mm plug all the way to left labeled power. If you take an AC adapter (any 12v@.5mA or a 12v@1.0A) and plug it into a ups backup, the apex can tell when power is out.
Like this
You will now be able to add a cmd line like
If Power Apex Off 001 Then OFF
This will instruct the apex to turn off power to the skimmer if there is a power outage longer than 1 minute.
Like this
You will now be able to add a cmd line like
If Power Apex Off 001 Then OFF
This will instruct the apex to turn off power to the skimmer if there is a power outage longer than 1 minute.
cilyjr
Chris
What I THINK happened is in regards to this line
If Sw1 OPEN Then Off
If this switch opens while there is say a 1 min power outage, the brain will NOT turn off the outlet when power is restored. It will it ignore the cmd because it wasn't "awake" during the status change.
If one were to look quickly at the screen however it would show an open switch leaving one to think "why did it not shut down?".
I'm waiting for confirmation from zombie on this however so I'm only 80% sure this is the case.
If Sw1 OPEN Then Off
If this switch opens while there is say a 1 min power outage, the brain will NOT turn off the outlet when power is restored. It will it ignore the cmd because it wasn't "awake" during the status change.
If one were to look quickly at the screen however it would show an open switch leaving one to think "why did it not shut down?".
I'm waiting for confirmation from zombie on this however so I'm only 80% sure this is the case.
cilyjr
Chris
@Jim Tansey My understanding is you witnessed then active overflow. Meaning you saw the pump running while the Apex listed the switch as open. Is this correct?
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