A discussion of Immunity

[ADOWG]

One has to go to the basics of the hobby in order to get a true answer on this. Question: what is the goal of reefing? Answer: to have a mini reef/ocean in your living room (okay not everyone's goal but like more or less right?) How will you do that? Make your tank as much like the ocean as possible of course, and if that means to add mud from the ocean, then by all means go for it because the ocean has mud. Personally I would not simply because it is out of my way to do so, but that is just me.

 

[Paul B]

This is great and what I have been saying for decades.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0145305X17301118

 

[Paul B]

My wife and I just came back from a talk on MS by my wife's Neurologist who is touted as the best MS specialist on Long Island. Anyway the talk was about the immune system and the MS treatments, especially the new ones. There is a lot of interest now in gut bacteria and how it can change the immune system and how it can alter our immune system. They can now take gut bacteria from a thin person and transfer it to an overweight person and the overweight person will lost some weight and if the bacteria stay viable by introducing new foods, that person can stay thin. They have also had some success curing diabetes using the same procedure.

I was discussing with him (he is also a friend of ours) how my fish are immune seemingly from everything and he agrees it could be from the live bacteria and pathogens in the clams and live worms guts that gets transferred to the fish. This theory of changing gut bacteria is fairly new and even he said that that is the future of medicine. I said, the main reason they are not doing to much of it is because it is not a big money maker for any drug company. I mean Poop doesn't cost to much.

I am going to ask him if he will help me write an article because he specializes in the immune system and is very knowledgeable about T cells, white cells, macrophages etc.

 

[Paul B]

Humans have only been living in sterile environments for the last 100 years. Before that, we basically pooped in the streets and ate filthy, half spoiled food. People have been around living like that for millions of years and we had no prizapro. The reason my fish are seemingly immune to everything IMO is the gut bacteria in the worms and clams I feed almost every day. We will one day change our ideas on this hobby and embrace some types bacteria, viruses and parasites as valuable life forms that help us rather than kill us. Without our gut bacteria we would die.. It is such a simple concept and fish are not at all delicate. There is no need for them to have to be taught to eat and to make feeders for fish such as copperbands etc. Almost all fish should ravish food and in a tank with no predators they should not be shy.

I always rinse my fish food in tap water and if it falls in the sink or the floor, I scoop it up and dump it in the tank. I feed live worms with the dirt. My fish won't get sick, it just can't happen. When I move in a few weeks, that's another story.

 

[officeaquachuck]

you proide details o why "that which does not kill you makes you stronger" ..as a side note i am also convinced that the reason for the epidemic of food allegies in dogs is the lack of variety in their diet, due to manufacturers need to create brand loyalty