POLL: Is your tank ich free or do you live w/ ich and reduce stressors?

Is your tank ICH free or do you live w/ ich and reduce stressors?


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My question: So just QT a fish isn't enough if you want an rich free tank? you have to prophylactically treat for it? would you do this even if the fish isn't showing signs of rich while in QT or do you out them in, wait to see if there is an rich outbreak and then treat? my tank will be new and I plan to QT each fish for 2 weeks before entering my DT.

That is what I have been trying to say for a while now! If you just QT (which I do), Ich can still be present. I personally believe that if a fish is not showing any signs during the ~6 weeks of QT, then there is no need to put the fish through treatment. It may still be there, but it would be more stressful to treat the fish then to just keep it in a low stress environment. I have had a couple of fish show a hint of Ich during QT (a couple white dots) shortly after introduction, and then never again see the signs. I do not treat these fish even though I essentially know they have it. But when a fish is covered, that is no question when I treat.

And on a side note, 2 weeks is not long enough for QT period. If you are going to do it at all, then 4 weeks would be minimum, 6-8 weeks ideal.

If ick is not in the system in the first place it is impossible to have an outbreak regardless of any stressor. "ick is in every tank" is simply not true.

Agreed. You can have an Ich free system. Easiest way is to have a fishless tank!
 
i am not sure what John said is true but i used to have a system running for years without any sign of ich, recently i added a Rock Beauty from Petco and everything went downhill fast, now i lost all my fishes that i have had for 10 years, including a purple tang that has been with me since it was the size of a penny, big fat healthy fish until i made an enormous mistake !!!!! someone on BRS suppose to rescue it along with other tankmates not sure how they are doing i just hope they are all doing good.........

now my system is fishfree for 2 months.
 
But in that case you do know it was introduced to your system. There is uncertainty for both of us, but without taking steps to eradicate it after introduction it's pretty safe to assume it IS present.

True. I am just not in the least bit concerned about it given that I have not seen any indication of it since that one short lived instance on one new fish several years ago.
 
no, huge mistake

That's too bad. Sounds like your tank may well have been clean until the new fish.

Are you sure it wasn't brook? More often than not ick doesn't wipe out whole tanks of fish, or if it does it does so very slowly.
 
Thanks for the debate... I have been doing this in my head for days trying to decide how to set up my new 75 gallon salt water tank... and how to treat my existing 50 gallon that had an ich outbreak killing most of my fish : (

@pinkskunk - now that your tank is empty for 2 months no fish... the ich is dead - well you might want to wait another 2 weeks to be sure. How are you planning to rebuild? QT all fish and treat??

Neptune
 
I'm in the same boat as you Neptune. 55 gallon had outbreak of ich killed 5 of 9 fish. Now I've upgraded to a 75 rimless. The fish I have left are in a qt tank in hypo. The display tank is fish less. Probably going to be a while before I add fish to it. I am dipping all new corals and taking in no rock. I do need to beef up my cuc down the road and that's probably a gamble, but I can't be that unlucky to get ich from them I hope. Luckily I'm into the corals just as much as the fish. So good luck to us. If I do get it again hopefully I can fight it and manage it next time.


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It's going to be there unless you have a tank stocked with captive bread specially raised fish. Wild caught is going to bring it in. What most people don't realize is that bump you see on the fish is actually a calcium deposit the parasite forms to help protect it . It is actually buried under the surface and sealed in. You get the fish, QT it, maybe dose some copper or whatever you may do and let it qt for 6-8 weeks. Maybe you get rid of those calcium deposites or some of them decide to leave the fish. But most like you are bringing that fish into your tank with Ich.

And obviously if you set up a tank with RO and salt only you won't have ich, but if your tank has fish, especially wild caught you have ich. There is not is not a lot of findings for researching of this parasite which is why we are having this poll and "argument" in the first place.

To think, a common issue that has been a problem for everyone for years and no major lab or company having a big team devoted to this? Find something that actually rids of the crap for good and can be proven microscopically and your filthy rich.

You don't think it's true John there is no proof what I said isn't true. It's all thoughts and ideas hence this poll. Maybe soon we will have the proper research to prove one of us right and worthy
 
I don't know where you are getting your information, but there has been quite a lot of research (aquaculture and food industry, not aquarium based), and the lifecycle of the parisite is very well known and understood.

Here's a quick summary of what we DO know.
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1992196

And
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2159738

I don't mean to be rude, but you are spreading complete misinformation. This is why this "debate" continues here and other places. Please do share if you have any soruces of any information that contridicts any of what is in the above links.
 
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There always has to be one weirdo....and i guess its me.
I know i have ich, velvet, flukes, brooknellya, fin rot, parasites, cloudy/pop eyes, skinny, pale, you name it because i have added fish that have shown massive symptoms of it.
None of my fish ever show any signs of disease within a month of being added, and then never show it again. All are super fat and colorful. They will all die of obesity and fatty liver before dying of disease.
All fish i have ever sold have not caused any outbreaks in other reefers tanks.

I often get sick fish from stores, and i request them to heal them up. Often the fish are cheap/free. You know that dying damsel you see at the lfs missing half its fin, only has 1 eye, and is laying on the sand bed? yeah, i buy them.
example: I scored 4 purple tangs for $40 total that were missing fin, had so much ich they were white everywhere, and were pale + skinny. They were days away from dead. 2 months later in my tank they looked great. I kept them for an additional 4-6 months, and then sold them cheap to reefers that wanted them.

The only losses from any visible disease that i have seen is: 2 clowns went down hard from brooknellya. I hadnt added anything new for 6 months, but it popped up one day, and within 36hrs, both were dead. no other fish were effected at all.

My tanks are way over stocked. I have a 7" sailfin, 2 yellows, lavender, and a vhlamingi tang, and a 8" one spot rabbitfish in a 180g main display, along with 20 other smaller fish(under 4"). swimming space and hiding spots are at a premium, as there is lots of rock and coral too. the 120 side tank is the hospital/new fish acclimating tank. This has 3-12 fish at any one time in it.
I have NO aggression issues, and everyone has their space and patterns. harmony at its best.

My secret? i have 340 gallons( 180, 120, 40), tons of fish, i add sand/mud from the beach often, literally thousands of ghost shrimp a year are added from the cape, i often get sand from stores and other reefers tanks,......
and the biggest reason is....
I feed like a mad man. Every day i feed 2-4 ounces of mixed food. Flake, pellets, mysis, reef goo, whole fish, phyto, clams, scallops, everything you can think of. Each day, i take a 6-8oz plastic cup, and fill it half way with goo and meaty foods. Add flake/pellet to taste, and then feed throughout the day until its gone. in addition, i also feed 2 full sheets of nori a day, and 3 on the weekend days.
I have .05 for nitrates, but the phosphate is 1.0+......no stony coral growth for me, but my fish are where its at.
Ofcourse, i have only done a 60g water change in the last 6 months, so that hurts too. Lol, to top it all off, my tank is 68 degrees in the winter, and 84 in the summer.
A big skimmer, a turf scrubber, carbon dosing, lots of sponge, and a deep sand bed is what runs everything.

Should everyone try this? no. but if your beloved fish is dying, and live in nh, im always accepting new pets lol.
Prepares for the incoming flame attacks.:eek:
 
No flames at all. IMO/IME there is no question that a healthy environment can do wonders in helping/allowing fish to recover from and fight disease.

The point of contention is with the notion that "every tank has ick", and or "fish cannnot be cured of ick". Fish definately can be cured, and they also definately can resist and live with ick.
 
Fish definately can be cured, and they also definately can resist and live with ick.

I'm 100% with you John based on all the articles I have read and studies that have been conducted on Ich. Even though Ich can thrive and pretty much kill "every" fish in our tank fast, in oceans it's a whole diferent story... From what I have read, it's very uncommon for fish in the wild to have Ich. A very small percentage do, and the out break happens when a contaminated fish is caught and put in captivity.

http://www.chucksaddiction.com/ich.html

http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2003-10/sp/feature/



I'm a firm believer that cryptocaryon (crypt) is in every tank. Ich is a freshwater parasite though it is sometimes called marine ich desiese.

Fyi, Marine Ich (CRYPTOCARYON) and Fresh water Ich (Ichthyophthirius Multifilis) are two completely diferent parasites...

http://www.americanaquariumproducts.com/aquarium_ich.html



Higor
 
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I'm 100% with you John based on all the articles I have read and studies that have been conducted on Ich. Even though Ich can thrive and pretty much kill "every" fish in our tank fast, in oceans it's a whole diferent story... From what I have read, it's very uncommon for fish in the wild to have Ich. A very small percentage do, and the out break happens when a contaminated fish is caught and put in captivity.

http://www.chucksaddiction.com/ich.html

http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2003-10/sp/feature/





Fyi, Marine Ich (CRYPTOCARYON) and Fresh water Ich (Ichthyophthirius Multifilis) are two completely diferent parasites...

http://www.americanaquariumproducts.com/aquarium_ich.html



Higor

Lol what I was trying to get at is in saltwater it is technically called crypt and freshwater it is ich though sometimes it is called marine ich(marine ich when referring to crypt)
 
I don't know where you are getting your information, but there has been quite a lot of research (aquaculture and food industry, not aquarium based), and the lifecycle of the parisite is very well known and understood.

Here's a quick summary of what we DO know.
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1992196

And
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2159738

I don't mean to be rude, but you are spreading complete misinformation. This is why this "debate" continues here and other places. Please do share if you have any soruces of any information that contridicts any of what is in the above links.

In case you missed it, please read the links :)
 
I don't know where you are getting your information, but there has been quite a lot of research (aquaculture and food industry, not aquarium based), and the lifecycle of the parisite is very well known and understood.

Here's a quick summary of what we DO know.
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1992196

And
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2159738

I don't mean to be rude, but you are spreading complete misinformation. This is why this "debate" continues here and other places. Please do share if you have any soruces of any information that contridicts any of what is in the above links.

Correct John we do know the life span but that is only the half of it... Other half being the unknown I'm talking about. I'm not taking you as rude at all. This is a debate, as this is what we are suppose to do here keeping in topic. I'm not spreading wrong information as I did not give tips on getting rid of it or anything that isn't completely proven misleading. You found some nice articles. They were a good read as are a lot of them. We know the life span, we just don't know if it's there or not and how to completely break this cycle.

The only thing I should and will take back and apologize for saying is that crypt is in every tank. I should have worded it more as of opinion than fact. People should not be coming into a poll of people bouncing back and fourth to look for and use information for their tank that is "misleading" or "incorrect"
 
Apparently you didn't actually read the links (note the timing between posts).

We very much DO know how to break the lifecycle, and that has been the case for many years to say the least. To claim that we don't have that information IS complete misinformation.
 
We don't know if it's there or not in ever tank*** I meant

That I will agree with. The only way to have a reasonably reliable confirmation is through microscopic gill examination which requires killing the fish.
 
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